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Posted by geek_at 1 day ago

Self-host your mail server(blog.haschek.at)
83 points | 85 commentspage 4
efields 2 hours ago|
Absolutely not.
doublerabbit 2 hours ago|
Why not? I have been hosting colocated email for years just fine.

I pay for a perceptual license of Zimbra.

hkt 4 hours ago||
I've been self hosting since 2012 or so and it is a mixed bag. Deliverability is fine provided you're on a clean IP range, which generally only reputable hosts have.

There was a moment when my son was born and he was in NICU that my mail broke. I just went without for a while. Not ideal.

Since then I've thought: self hosting is nice but hosting cooperatively is probably the best way forward. Democratic control might beat technical control. I'll do it soon, I think: I'd be fascinated to know what people think.

selfsimilar 4 hours ago|
I’m very interested in this approach. I’ve hosted friends’ websites for decades but I’ve been the single-point of failure, so “cooperative” is very enticing.

I’m currently working on a cooperative “lights-on” solution which might be complementary.

LoganDark 4 hours ago||
I've tried self-hosting my mail server, but that means all my outgoing mail will go to Spam on all providers that use reputation-based filtering. In all cases I had SPF, DKIM and DMARC working perfectly, PTR records, etc. but it just doesn't matter. Even a Fastmail domain goes right to spam on my personal account, and they are very very established. It's just not worth it.
dwedge 4 hours ago|
I use a dedicated server and a vps for this, so I get around the residential IP reputation issue. The rest of the problems with deliverability are overblown. In 15 years of doing it on multiple servers, I've had one 2 month period where Gmail was spamming me and one month where Yahoo spammed me. In both cases it stopped without me changing anything, I've always suspected it's brief periods of anti-competition attempts which don't last forever
LoganDark 4 hours ago||
I never used residential IPs. Most ISPs don't even let you set PTR records on those. My problem was that any server at practically any provider would reuse an IP that previous customers have used to send spam in the past. For example you can't hope to send mail from a DigitalOcean IPv4 address without going to spam. Nor from Kamatera. There are probably a few more providers that are basically blackholed because they're so often used for spam. (I don't have experience with providers that don't offer IPv4.) I believe some providers even attempt to block outgoing mail.
UltraSane 2 hours ago||
Running your own mail server is easy for receiving mail, but it is very hard to keep your IP from getting on some random blacklist that is impossible to get off.
tamimio 3 hours ago||
The problem isn’t spam, the problem is you becoming the spam.

I did test email selfhosting before and there’s a substantial amount of times my emails were never seen by the recipient, sometimes it did cost me good jobs/deals.

So now I use paid email while I control the domain and everything else, so I have the portability feature if I wanted to switch providers without any efforts, but I know now my emails will be delivered whenever I hit sent.

That being said, I self host everything else in my digital life, and I believe everyone should.

ubermonkey 4 hours ago||
Counterpoint: No.
carlosjobim 1 day ago||
I disagree with the author. If you have your own domain for e-mail, then you've already dealt with all risks and vulnerabilities. Of course you have your e-mail stored locally as well by using an e-mail client, which you would anyway.
chappie7 40 minutes ago|
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vouaobrasil 4 hours ago||
Man these days it's nearly impossible. Even my web host has trouble hosting email, even though I use it and they do a decent job. Only medium-sized specialist companies and large ones like Gmail do it well. It's just those spammers - we could have nice things like self-hosted email if everyone were nice, but we can't.
noncoml 4 hours ago|
Good luck having your emails hitting any inbox instead of ending up in spam.
bad_username 4 hours ago||
Ending up in spam is not that bad, compared to emails simply dropped silently, without either party having any idea.
dwedge 3 hours ago||
Thanks. 15 years of good luck so far
noncoml 1 hour ago||
Awesome. Don’t ever let go of the domain name and IP!