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Posted by dwwoelfel 17 hours ago

Writing by hand is good for your brain(nealstephenson.substack.com)
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tiahura 15 hours ago||
Remember when serious debugging meant at least an inch of greenbar?
kstenerud 16 hours ago||
> I’m not an expert on how the brain works, but I can say that,

Aaaaaand time to tune out.

burkaman 15 hours ago||
The rest of that sentence:

> I can say that, when writing by hand, one is continually solving a series of small problems having to do with the spacing of words, how letters are connected, the crossing of the letter t (sometimes more than one in the same word) and the dotting of the letters i and j, and how to accomplish all of those things through coordinated movements not just of the fingers but of the whole arm.

Do you think he needs to be a neuroscientist to make this claim?

kstenerud 15 hours ago||
The non-sequiturs that follow do.
voidnullvalue 15 hours ago|||
Appeal to Authority is a logical fallacy. Perverse incentives exist in every domain, and you cannot discount the human factor. The experts can be wrong.
kstenerud 15 hours ago|||
And in this case, Van der Meer's experiment showing more "elaborate" brain activity during handwriting was correlational. The conclusion that this leads to better learning outcomes does not follow.

More to your point: calling "appeal to authority" does not license argument from ignorance. Furthermore, appeal to authority only refers to an authority who is not authoritative in the domain in question.

rendaw 13 hours ago||||
I don't think this is appeal to authority (or the reverse, I guess). Neuroscience is complex, being a scientist/doctor is one signal that the observations here would be based on/reflective of a large body of knowledge. Probably GP's unstated point is that the author isn't a scientist/doctor and they also haven't studied/read up on their own either.
austinthetaco 15 hours ago|||
The experts in the sciences usually back their claims up using citations, and can be disproven through the normal methods of disproving citations. not through "vibes"
jmalicki 15 hours ago||
And he said "I'm not an expert" just after citing evidence.
kstenerud 15 hours ago||
Except that he didn't actually cite evidence that supported his claim. He merely reposted a blog's incorrect conclusion.
rendaw 13 hours ago|||
You've been downvoted to oblivion, but I figured I'll use you as a meat shield since there isn't a single other reply of criticality here AFAICT.

The study talks about connections and frequency, but that seems like a very coarse measure for something as complex as the brain.

> Increased connectivity within the theta (3.5–7.5 Hz) and alpha (8–12.5 Hz) frequency bands has been linked to mechanisms underlying sensorimotor integration (). As increased connectivity in the brain was observed only when writing by hand and not when simply pressing keys on the keyboard, our findings can be taken as evidence that handwriting promotes learning.

Can you? The linked paper appears to be stating association, not causation.

The alternative hypothesis is that the brain activates more because writing by hand is harder, and that by writing by hand you just get better at writing by hand.

My thought is, write in whichever medium you feel you work best in. Maybe try them both. And if you're not productive maybe don't use that medium.

This feels like a lot of grasping to try to justify some retroism (why does it need justification?).

burkaman 13 hours ago||
This is a fair response and I think would be a good top level comment, you don't need a meat shield. The reason the parent was downvoted was that it isn't criticism, it's just a declaration that they didn't read the article.

There are a lot of citations in the paper backing up the idea that handwriting promotes learning, though (or at least spelling, memory, recall, and letter recognition/understanding). It reads to me like an attempt to explain an observed phenomenon: "given that handwriting appears to promote learning, what could be a mechanism for that?" It isn't in a vacuum just claiming that "these brain signals clearly prove that learning is happening".

The "general discussion" section also covers why the specific connectivity they looked at might be related to learning.

kstenerud 2 hours ago||
The issue is that the title "Writing by hand is good for your brain" does not follow from the cited study. At all.

The EEG measurement is the only real thing in the study, but there was no actual learning task anywhere at all.

Meanwhile, mr "I’m not an expert on how the brain works, but..." blithely goes on with his non-expert opinion, even talking about fountain pens and the various pen tip qualities in a manner smacking of audiophile.

And so the article reaches #1 on HN (supposedly the place of reason), and stays there for hours as everyone ignores the elephant in the room.

This is how junk science is born.

jehnnysmith 11 hours ago||
HN should add downvote option.
erelong 1 hour ago|
It exists I think, they just require you to score a certain amount of points before you obtain the privilege
ourmandave 14 hours ago||
Decent article.

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keyboardtest 14 hours ago||
Great!
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