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Posted by theanonymousone 9 hours ago

Startup founders urge U.S. government not to shut off Chinese open weight AI(www.politico.com)
https://littletech.org/

https://static.politico.com/4a/bf/9c4021d8404386b0a311dcccf0...

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npodbielski 8 hours ago||
So Y Combinator signed it too? But this is HN, Y combinator website. I think I am missing something because I never read any opinion like 'we should ban Chinese models'.
drbscl 8 hours ago||
OpenAI's strategy lead made a post on X advocating for the banning of Chinese models in the wake of Kimi K3's release.

To be clear, YCombinator et al are advocating for them to remain unbanned.

npodbielski 6 hours ago||
ah that makes sense now! I must be tired...
addandsubtract 8 hours ago|||
They signed the letter to prevent the banning on open-weight models.
Tenoke 8 hours ago|||
Y Combinator the company doesnt particularly have to share the opinions of hackernews the public site.
dang 7 hours ago||
That's true, and often they diverge. But in this case I think the opinions within YC itself and in the HN community at large are more or less the same - we all want open-weight models.
bilbo0s 9 hours ago||
I tell everyone whenever I get a chance, download any open weights models you can as soon as possible.

Buy extra hardrives. Borrow them. Do whatever you have to do.

But to paraphrase Éomer, don't trust to hope, it has abandoned these lands.

willmadden 6 hours ago|
Ok, but in 24 months that's the equivalent of downloading 100 variations of MSDOS. Torrents and vpn exist. I think this is more of a problem for corporations.
ReptileMan 6 hours ago||
And how are they supposed to ban them? What Chinese companies release is math.
Upvoter33 4 hours ago||
"US government bans floating point numbers"
otikik 8 hours ago||
The turntables do their thing.
formerly_proven 8 hours ago||
Illegal numbers 2: Electric Trumpaloo
nazgulsenpai 7 hours ago|
Need to print a tshirt with the weights of Kimi 3
misiti3780 9 hours ago||
he cant shut them off anyways, anyone can just VPN to europe and download them
thewebguyd 8 hours ago||
Individuals can. The US GOV can make it so legally risky for US based corporations to host, download, or integrate with foreign open weight models that they become effectively illegal for commercial use. Any sort of sanctions or ICTS regulations, and you'll see them all rapidly disappear from AWS, Azure, GCP, HuggingFace, GitHub, etc.
lelanthran 4 hours ago||
> The US GOV can make it so legally risky for US based corporations to host, download, or integrate with foreign open weight models that they become effectively illegal for commercial use.

They have to tighten that up so much that it would effectively result in "US Corporations cannot source anything from a foreign state".

After all, if you are allowed to outsource (for example) customer-support to EU, the company you are outsourcing it to can effectively use Kimi without disclosure.

thewebguyd 4 hours ago||
> They have to tighten that up so much that it would effectively result in "US Corporations cannot source anything from a foreign state".

Sanctions are already that tight since they are strict liability. You do business with an overseas vendor and they use a sanctioned product, you are still liable even if you have no knowledge of its use.

In practice, outsourcing just becomes much more expensive, going through intense know your supplier audits, and you throw an indemnification clause in the contract and pass your fines onto your outsourced vendor.

andai 9 hours ago||
The ducks at the park are free, you can just take one home with you.
minimaltom 8 hours ago||
I luv this sentence but have no idea what it means lol.

Do you have many ducks at home?

therealdrag0 8 hours ago|||
I think it means, just because something is accessible doesn’t mean it’s legal, permitted, or okay.
addandsubtract 8 hours ago|||
The ones at home land on a dinner plate.
feverzsj 9 hours ago||
The only thing Trump can do is building the US version of GFW, which he knows better than anyone else.
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