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Posted by agotterer 11 hours ago

London Gatwick has launched a robotic airport parking service(aerospaceglobalnews.com)
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kioleanu 6 hours ago|
Are these not the guys that ask like 7 pounds to drive up to kiss & fly? Good to see that money’s put to good use!
amiga386 6 hours ago||
You're behind the times. It's 10 pounds now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2lqd72d4lqo

jplrssn 6 hours ago||
£7 is about the price of a pint. Surely that’s worth it given the convenience of driving right up to the front door of the terminal?
kioleanu 6 hours ago||
I may be a socialist but being able to bring your heavy luggage to the door of the place you already pay a fee to be at (airport taxes) should be free, no? Like in all other parts of Europe

And they say, oh, no, you can come for free if you’re willing to walk 15 minutes to the terminal. No, that’s greed plain and simple.

Gud 6 hours ago||
Not everyone takes the car. Why should people who don't deem it necessary to take a personal vehicle to one of the most expensive locations on the planet(city airport) subsidize those who do?
kioleanu 6 hours ago||
What exactly would be subsidized by the people taking the train if the people driving up to (not parking at!) the airport wouldn’t pay a fee?
beardyw 10 hours ago||
I remember parking in central London where you left your car in a single space inside a building and it would whisk it up onto some unseen location. I think that was under human control but maybe it will make a comeback with automation.
krisoft 9 hours ago||
There are some horror stories when those kind of systems break down.

For example this one is about a van which got stuck in one for two years: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx207jwknp5o

Or there was one in Sweden which trapped cars for 2 months: https://www.mitti.se/nyheter/fnurret-pa-psnurran--m-vill-se-... (sorry, could only find a swedish source)

It is because these kind of systems are complicated bespoke automation. When it breaks down it costs a fortune to fix it. And what can happen is that different parties (operators vs manufacture vs maintainer) gets into a contract dispute to see who is liable to pay to get it fixed. Which as you can guess can take years to play out. Meanwhile your vehicle is stuck and nobody who could is interested in spending a penny on getting it out.

In contrast to that this project is better in two ways. There are multiple robots. (or at least there really should be) So if one breaks down the other robots can still retrieve cars (albeit of course with reduced throughput). And because the storage is just a flat parking lot if all the robots give up the ghost at the same time humans can drive out the cars from the edges of the storage rows.

0x3f 10 hours ago||
Where was this? I've only seen it in London at very high end residential places. Even then it's rare. Most privately-owned public car parks in London are dilapidated and full of thieves, but still command premium pricing. It would surprise me if one bothered to build the infra for this.
tonyedgecombe 8 hours ago||
I remember using one in Fleet Street in the eighties.
luciana1u 4 hours ago||
parking was the one part of the airport experience that wasn't broken. naturally, that's what they fixed first.
inigyou 9 hours ago||
There are systems where you park your car on a moving platform and the whole platform slots into an underground warehouse. That seems simpler and safer.
dybber 7 hours ago|
I don’t think they’re mechanically simpler. Those kinds of underground garages probably require a lot of maintenance to keep running.
ryanmcbride 10 hours ago||
Wow finally something capable of parking cars! I'm sure it'll be so much better and cheaper than just paying valets to do it too!
reenorap 9 hours ago||
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bookofjoe 7 hours ago||
>Gatwick Airport left without running water after major outage

https://archive.ph/IrBH8#selection-575.0-575.61

trebligdivad 10 hours ago||
I wonder what their secure parking area looks like.
krisoft 10 hours ago||
A fenced off flat parking lot with a few cameras here and there. Not sure what you expect.
trebligdivad 9 hours ago||
Well that's why I ask - a lot of 'secure' airport parking suffers from people stealing from it.
jq-r 9 hours ago||
Honest question, what there is to steal from a car what was left on the parking lot? Especially on an airport where I assume everyone flies off with their luggage and leave nothing or nothing of value behind.
trebligdivad 9 hours ago||
The car.
krisoft 8 hours ago|||
I wouldn't think that should be a problem here if there is any sanity how the system is implemented. With a normal (short stay, long stay) parking lot it is expected that cars leave all the time. A thief breaking into your car and driving off with it, and you getting into your car and driving off with it looks almost the same visually.

Here cars normally leave by a robot picking it up and depositing the vehicle in a garage. Probably there is a vehicle entrance to the parking area for maintenance, but it would be weird to see a car leave through that. Similarly thiefs could cut a hole in the fence and drive through that but again, visually very distinct from a normal operation. Of course it still doesn't help if the security is in on it, but it would be easier to notice that things are askew for a competent security.

So that leaves us with the thieves somehow confusing the digital systems so it dispenses the car to the thieves. And that very much depends on the security of their digital systems.

Hence why I think it would be hard to secure a normal parking lot even when operated competently. But this has the potential if implemented well, to be much more secure.

chedabob 9 hours ago|||
I agree with you, but given that a lot of car theft is now done by exploiting the keyless entry system, it feels like there'd be easier targets.
trebligdivad 8 hours ago||
They are different opportunities for thieves; airport parking has an advantage that the owners are expected to be away for a while, and, if someone is involved in the parking then they know they may be away for lets say 2 weeks. So then the thief thinks if they can steal the car soon after they arrive no one will notice for ~2 weeks by which time it's in a container on the otherside of the world.
helsinkiandrew 10 hours ago|||
You can see it on Google maps: https://maps.app.goo.gl/MQjWHbbc5jeUryGU7?g_st=ic
trebligdivad 9 hours ago||
So is it that normal looking parking area or is that a multi storey behind the places they show in the video?
stronglikedan 10 hours ago||
If you knew what it looked like, it wouldn't be as secure!
jauntywundrkind 8 hours ago||
A sci-fi dream i have is that cars and their engines decouple. That you just own a shell, an egg, and the town owns all the engines. (This dream also includes warehouses and delivery robots of many sizes owned by the town too).

In a funny way, this sort of does that. Sure your car still has an engine but this very much is the car-shell tractor, in practice. This is really neat to see.

I wish them luck. I hope it is reliable enough! It looks pretty straightforwards in how it picks up wheels, which is neat.

fortran77 5 hours ago|
The video didn't show how it actually gets under your t[y|i]res and then gets out from under your tires when it's moved it.
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