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Posted by lkurtz 4 hours ago

The iPhone Upgrade Program is being replaced by Apple Upgrade(www.apple.com)
https://www.apple.com/shop/apple-upgrade
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OrangeDelonge 3 hours ago|
Makes sense they discontinued it given that the last 5 iphones have been almost exactly the same
meatmanek 3 hours ago||
Indeed. I used to be on the upgrade program so I could upgrade every year, but decided to skip the 16 and keep my 15 until the 17 came out.

Even if you are upgrading every single year, it works out roughly the same to just buy every phone outright and then trade in last year's model -- you typically get ~half your purchase price back as trade-in value after a year anyway.

xp84 3 hours ago|||
Hey that's not fair, there has been one actually useful "innovation" -- switching to USB-C like the rest of the world has been using for 10 years. Literally nothing has made me feel the slightest craving for a new iPhone since getting my 15 Pro Max.
arjie 1 hour ago||
This sounds like an incredible deal, doesn't it? Transforming a capital cost to an operational cost is fantastic. The total cost to use over 2 years is also much lower on this kind of thing. I suppose the reason not to use it is that you can use an old device for much longer. My wife and parents are on an iPhone 13 and I'm on an iPhone 16. The cost over that period is consequently much lower.

In any case, doesn't this sound like an insane contract for Klarna to have signed? It's freaking Apple. Mind blowing deal for a buy-now-pay-later company to sign. Imagine being in the chain for an Apple product. What a coup.

cschep 1 hour ago||
As an owner of Stripe stock should be I bummed that Stripe didn't get this contract? Or.. happy they are powerful enough that they must not have gotten favorable terms so they didn't bother?
wxw 3 hours ago||
> To make way for Apple Upgrade — a new experience that offers more products and terms that work for you — we’re saying goodbye to the iPhone Upgrade Program.

https://www.apple.com/shop/apple-upgrade

It looks like this leasing program is just moving into a more generic/Apple-wide offering... not sure if the fine print changes.

[edit: from the comments, it sounds like the difference is it was previously 0% interest financing and no longer is]

bri3d 2 hours ago||
It's "just" a restructuring; the previous setup was a really bizarre financial product where Citizens Bank gave you a 24-month 0% personal loan to buy an iPhone, but Apple would also buy your phone and loan out and sell you a new one every 12 months.

Now it's just a normal lease product with a 0% money factor through Klarna, that also works across Apple.

What this does is gives Apple more "price flexibility" (aka, they can raise prices more easily, which was probably a lot of the driver for this), but also gives consumers more buying power flexibility since it's a simple product that works across the board rather than a bizarre iPhone specific optimized financial instrument.

fckgw 3 hours ago||
The new Apple Upgrade is also 0%, but has lower monthly payments and a balloon payment at the end, like a typical lease. It's not just cost / 24mo.
philamonster 3 hours ago||
This is my last iPhone/smartphone (13 mini).
recursivedoubts 3 hours ago|
legit could be your last phone ever, why upgrade?
brcmthrowaway 1 hour ago|||
Switching to grapheneOS
alonzomorning77 3 hours ago|||
apple upgrade forced obsolescence maybe?
jjice 1 hour ago|||
FWIW Apple has had some of the best device support lifetimes of any smartphone. Google started guaranteeing their 7 years of updates sometime around the Pixel 6 or so I want to say.

This is all a relative scale though. But if we're looking at smartphones specifically, I'd argue Apple has been the least force obsolescence of anyone. I wouldn't be surprised if there are some smaller manufacturer niche cases that surpass it.

recursivedoubts 2 hours ago|||
if you are willing to run an old OS (and the OS's are getting worse too) then I think you should be OK
squirreljak 1 hour ago||
I don’t see what’s the big deal about this tbh. They’re probably making this financing program for the soon to be announced iPhone and MacBook ultras, which will be more expensive than we expect
tamimio 3 hours ago||
So this new one seems like hardware-as-a-service subscription, the hardware is basically rented out, and since everything is linked to apple account it’s easier to lock it remotely if you don’t pay that month. They are probably planning to increase the prices and are introducing this model so it looks less of a payment method, except you don’t even own it.
IAmGraydon 3 hours ago||
So they're going to subtract the residual from the price and divide that by some term, just like leasing a car. Doesn't seem like a bad way to get a phone and in the end, they just automatically own the residual instead of buying it from you. It seems like a more predicable way to do the same thing most people are already doing.
xp84 3 hours ago|
I think "most people" have been shifting towards longer than 24-month replacement cycles. Leasing with a fixed end is probably predicted in their financial models to do a better job of getting more people onto a strict 24 month cycle. Nobody will want to actually buy out their lease on a 2-year-old phone, so they'll turn it in and lease another one, so Apple can throw it into the shredder[1] and show an additional sale on their books.

[1] https://www.ifixit.com/News/94386/the-truth-about-apples-fre...

pishpash 1 hour ago||
They won't throw it into the shredder. They'll capture the residual by wholesaling it second-hand, same as with trade-in's.
amazingamazing 2 hours ago|
People whine about everything. This is a free loan compared to Apple MSRP.
pishpash 1 hour ago|
First-party MSRP at that. What's a few % free loan discount in comparison to almost any other retail pricing out there that is periodically 10-15% off.
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