Posted by nozzlegear 7/30/2026
I keep complaining about the fact Mac OS asks me whether I want to allow chrome to access the local network with every update. I tried to dig deeper and discovered a privacy settings UI with dozens of entries written "Google Chrome" with the permission disabled. One for each time I said "No".
This is absolutely embarrassing. I wouldn't call it a bug, but a lazy and incompetent design that I thought could not happen in a Apple product.
I'll give you another example. Lately I've noticed a progress bar under the Apps icon on the dock. At first I didn't even know it was a progress bar because I use the Dock vertically - it looked like a separator - and the progress bar made no progress.
One day, the progress bar actually made progress and stayed stuck at 80%. I thought something had crashed and rebooted the machine. It stayed there. I eventually discovered by trial and error that the problem was that a running WhatsApp app prevented the WhatsApp update process to finish. Since it was always open as I used the computer, that annoying UI element stayed around forever. By closing WhatsApp, the bar unlocked and the update finished.
Pretty horrible. Is Apple learning from Microsoft?
Since then it’s been straight downhill. First they stopped investing in desktop in favor of mobile. Then they underwent some rewrites to OS and bundled apps that dumbed things down and exploded the defect rate. Then they started setting the stage for a touch experience on desktop at the expense of UI density. Around the same time they started to prioritize short term profit over UX — spamming with notifications to try to get you to sign in, upgrade, etc. And then there’s the travesty that is Tahoe.
Liquid Glass has no place on the desktop (or the phone really).
I migrated to Mac OS X from OpenBSD in like 2002 or so. MacOS has been a steady decline for many years, probably soon after the iPhone. Snow Leopard was probably the height of the MacOS experience. It’s been lots of little things along the way but I agree Tahoe is an inflection point.
I do think about this article though: https://www.rubenerd.au/the-myth-of-snow-leopard/
Obviously (to me anyway, maybe folk disagree) comparing a new release to the previous versions last release (with years of bugfixing) wasn't totally fair, but my experience with Snow Leopard wasn't great either and I wonder if it wasn't quite the peak everyone thinks of it as.
It is all pretty subjective though. Windows is the best option for some.
I think steve jobs had common sense... from the user's perspective.
He could throw a little nonsense or a lot of nonsense (and the entire department that created it) out the window.
I have bigger issues with the way a lot of MacOS apps are just poorly designed.
Like screen capture - I want to be able to save to my choice of destination folder after clicking. But instead you get a selection of preset choices, and the option to select a destination before you capture the file, which is unnaturally distracting.
Finder hasn't changed for decades. It should be possible to have source and destination trees visible in the same window, but it isn't.
Mac Mail has threaded conversations, which means some emails don't appear in searches.
App Store search was designed by cynics, idiots, or both. If you know the exact name of an app, search will probably show it but it probably won't be anywhere near the first hit.
Xcode - I can't even...
Meanwhile a lot of clever and useful features remain hidden or ignored. Automator and AppleScript would have been gamechangers if Apple had promoted them, but they were just left on a shelf to moulder.
I can't imagine ever swapping back to Windows, but these annoyances are an insult to the quality of the hardware, which is on another level.
Is it possible that you clicked "Approve" while the parent clicked "Not now"?
One of my personal issues is that I was using software called "Secretive" which installed a Secretive Agent system service. I later patched and forked it, but reused the name. Despite the app bundle ID being different, and having a different signer, they show up collapsed in the "Login items" panel, with no way to enable one and disable the other: https://i.servepic.com/t5DvVjB0.png
There are also numerous entries for software that has been completely removed from my system for years. I wholeheartedly believe OP's experience.
Like my home computer has 12 perfectly good USB charging ports but I'm not 100% happy using them, as opposed to wall wart or a wireless adapter, because I have to clear a dialog on my phone and on my computer when I want to plug it in. And of course the "import pictures" functions on both MacOS and Windows "just don't work" so when I really want to transfer photos I either email them (one at a time) or ftp them to my home server with Photosync.
And, yeah, I solve it by having a separate USB hub for charging things - but that's a pain for travelling as I'd rather not have to bring an extra device.
(And it doesn't happen under Linux, so I'm pretty sure it's a MacOS issue rather than something inherent to usb-c)
IMO the party that should be blamed here is Google. Why do they keep asking you for local network access when you've already denied it? Why do they just prompt for access without first showing a page telling you why they want access along with a button to go through with the prompt? Ironically, this is what Google and the other browser vendors force websites to do when they want to ask users to grant certain permissions.
https://asahilinux.org/docs/platform/feature-support/overvie...
So it's probably going to be a while before there's support for the recent generations. :(
Apple got complex due to dynamic workspaces that result in windows unexpectedly flying off screen or popping up as one mouses's around and the new security model which no longer trusts defaults to local applications trusting each other.
This security model is why each application needs to be granted local access. I believe Apple encourages all apps to stick to their own sandbox to the extent possible.
I'm currently trying to figure out how to give Image Events access to my local hard disk. My old applescripts using Image Events have broken due to the loss of access.
I have a massive screen and the right most application has it's menu ... at the very, very left of my screen. It's soo far away it is just crazy. And that menu can't be moved to teh side or turned off or whatever.
Applications that get closed aren't really closed ... you have to quit them. I don't know why. Or if they are minimised, then I can't alt-tab to them .. or I actually can ... but they don't actually OPEN!
Windows insist on opening to some arbitrary width and height instead of neatly snapping to a side etc.
Anyway, at lot of it is fixable with add-ons etc, but it's still annoying. I'll be happier when I can jsut run linux.
This is the classic Mac behavior since the 1980s. Except now some apps are identical with their single window and will exit when that window is closed. So you no longer know what to expect. Sigh.
Why have this behavior ever? It used to be that apps took a while to start up. Switching to an open-but-no-window app was a lot faster than launching it from scratch. That’s not so important now that most apps start quickly.
Now the main advantage is that you can use keyboard shortcuts to make a new window in open apps (CMD-tab, CMD-n gets a new window in the previously used open app, for example)
Having said that, the OS felt better a few years ago. I feel like they have less attention to detail and don’t care for Liquid Glass.
Still blazingly fast machines compared to my intel windows corporate workstation though.
Otherwise it's mostly about... the visuals again, but in the hardware side - how the hardware looks better, though, to be fair, that also has a bunch of "doesn't flex like cheap plastic" improvements)
Maybe also the fact that you're less frequently exposed to a garbage sea of complexity like the registry (sure, it exists and is even worse because there is no built in GUI)
But ultimately you're asking about legends, that's the stuff of history, not something you should expect to experience
iOS has gotten gross as well. You see that email notification on your lock screen? Wanna see what it says? Tap it. HAHA, that just expands the stack. Tap it again... that reveals a bit.... TAP IT AGAIN - ah, now we're unlocking and revealing it in the app....
Not sure if you can get the entire email in the notif, I think the only stock options are 'previews' or nothing
I need to replace a MacBook Pro w/ Touchbar, and am _not_ excited about the options, and I find the OS version numbering/naming baffling (why they couldn't've counted versions, started at the next letter of the alphabet, and then cycled through the alphabet in the California Gazetteer when they switched place names from there on out mystifies me) --- probably I'll end up w/ a hand-me-down iMac, but I'd be a bit more interested if there was a portable Mac tablet w/ a stylus and touch, having preferred that form-factor for portable usage since Go Corp.'s PenPoint on an NCR-3125 (which I paired w/ a NeXT Cube and represents the highwatermark of my GUI experience).
I wish that there was an option to limit the OS to only Cocoa/SwiftUI/equivalent "native" apps, and I really wish that Preferences.app would arrive at a simplified and stable state which makes sense.
Last year, for the first time since 2003, I didn’t upgrade to the latest macOS (né OS X) release. I’m hopeful for Golden Gate and continue to love the hardware, but man Tahoe is a low point.
The Swift UI-ification of System Preferences and all of the consistency lost by moving AWS from AppKit drag macOS down to the level of lesser systems and even Electron (that is to say, I’ve used more Mac-like electron apps than some of the first party Swift UI rewrites).
20 years later and desktop Linux still has no consistency. I’m not even sure how people use Windows. Could this be the year Haiku saves the desktop?
Maybe a distro focused on GNUstep?
I'm planning on trying a Raspberry Pi 5 (Compute Module --- anyone want to trade for a pair of regular Pis?) once the Soulcircuit Pilet I backed on Kickstarter ships. If it seems promising, I'll get a Wacom MovinkPad and see if I can really make it work.
You won’t know Apple joy until you replace the one you have with another. If you’re backed up via Time Machine — because you are, right? — then you plug in your new machine, hit “restore” or whatever it’s called, and head off to sleep. In the morning all your data, applications, and settings will be there. Your new machine will be indistinguishable from the old but for the grime.
Trying to push poorly done, rushed UI frameworks to match iOS in the wrong form factor has trashed the OS.
> the problem was that a running WhatsApp app prevented the WhatsApp update process to finish.
Oh so that’s what it is. Thought it was a desync between UI state and software logic.
- The preview app - document editing at its best
- Apple Mail Search - you can filter by nearly every aspect, even between dates
- the mighty Alt key (alt+click unlocks an extra feature all the time, alt + shift + volume makes smaller steps, etc)
- apple headphone remotes also work on macbooks
- you can turn off the display by setting 0 brightness
- Printing just works - everywhere
- the trackpad integration
- brew is just awesome
It is gross and destroys what Apple stood for.
Their introduction of more and more ads shows that they want to optimize the Services category at all cost. Hardware hasn't grown as much as historically and they haven't been able to start new categories in recent history (e.g. AVP failure), plus Services is high-margin. Since they are now on this gravy train, they will increasingly use behavioral data to target ads, etc.
Old Apple would never have done that I don't think.
In my view there really needs to be some 'no means no, not maybe later' legislation against this burdensome dark pattern.
This is not a good thing. Not for Apple, and not for Android, as in terms of exerting gravity on the market, Apple is a supermassive black hole. Anything they do instantly becomes normalized as a business practice.
So, yeah, they are copying, but by virtue of the ecosystem being less open, you are mostly stuck with it.
One note though: removal of system apps with adb is blocked in Android 17. You can only disable system apps on Android 17:
https://github.com/Universal-Debloater-Alliance/universal-an...
Using an Apple device these days is to be spoken to in a weird language that invites you become one of those people who lives at the genius bar, if you are so lucky to live within range of one. Like the touch id failed on my iPad and I got some really strange messages. I also get weird dialogs about failing things on my Mac (like some "widget" having to do with Find My) that usually center Apple brand names. It just makes those brands sound shoddy. [1]
I was delighted with my iPhone when I first got it but about six months later I was always getting important phone calls... and it wouldn't ring, I was getting important texts... some of which would appear on my iPhone, some of which would appear on my Ipad, some of which would never appear at all, I was getting important notifications... and I couldn't find them, or they would disappear before I could tap on them, it was like my phone was possessed by the devil.
I turned off filtering and grouping for notifications and went through the menus, deleted every app that I didn't use, turned off notifications for apps unless I absolutely needed them, etc. After spending an hour digging through the settings my phone now rings when people call.
And don't get me started on AirPods; like they sorta kinda work if you stay in the Apple ecosystem, but if you pair them with Windows they will do everything in their power to punish you, including force you to reboot your phone so you can talk on the microphones.
The most amusing thing is that so many of the ads and nags in MacOS use the Liquid Glass refresh of the 2001 Mac OS X version of the dialog box from the 1984 Mac Classic. Microsoft nags are based on web technology and look kinda appealing, but Apple nags are a blast from the past.
[1] ... if only your XBOX could show a Playstation logo when it is acting like an ADHD kid rather than an XBOX logo!
It was an awesome experience and the first really exciting improvement I have seen in a long time.
"links to show with screenshots"
I always want to either copy and delete or save and forget, so I'd select those two options (or rather have the old behaviour) and ignore the rest. You can choose other things.
Same with adverts. I would select "zero adverts", but you could select "upto six adverts" or whatever. After all adverts are for the benefit of the customer right - that's what advert apologists say.
If you look at or used macOS 9 and the early OS X none of that expresses minimalism
Better get the folks that recognize users exist and are different, so instead of arbitrary mistakes UI should be tailored to a user.
Case in point:
> five options I have to choose from, every time, even if I never touch four of them:
So the way out is to allow you to remove those 4 rather than arbitrarily stop at 3 where you don't need 2 instead of 4?
I use 4 of those 5 options all the time. But there are other places where options make me slow because I need to was through them.
Well, now they have two options.
And at the time, everyone was perfectly fine with opening the photo library to access the options that are now in that menu
Instead, what I dislike is that you can’t keep the screenshot dialog open in the background. It would be fine for screenshots to go straight to photos if the screenshot dialog was still available from there for each individual screenshot taken (including the options under discussion).
This was never true, of course. You've slipped way down the slope of the mythical golden past.
But also, having the option not to show an empty menu is a trivial part of customization, so this is also solved in my suggested approach.
There is no justifiable reason that Safari's find in page option is under the share menu, hidden underneath a View More button. Finding within a page has nothing to do with sharing, and even if somehow a user guessed that it might be in that menu without searching the web for it, they're probably going to dismiss it because they haven't expanded the view more menu.
iOS and macOS are riddled with illogical decisions like this. The menu bar is an unusable mess of icons that things have added, a problem that Windows (kind of) solved about a decade ago by allowing me to select which icons appear by default. The Dock seems to choose at random whether an app remains pinned or not, with particular confusion brought by apps updating themselves. Shortcuts is a wonderful idea in principle while in practice anytime I try to do something with it some part is missing.
I used to be a huge proponent of macOS in particular, and I would like to be one again, but currently its incredibly hard to do that.
I started using the f-droid app "store" recently and it's amazing: bare bones stuff that just does what you want.
And it's not just something we would consider calling ads, but just the clutter on the web.
- Limited offer modals - "Hey we have a useless AI chatbot" popups - Cookie banners - Newsletter popups - 3 tiered subscription offers for everything - Sign in to XYZ with google - This site wants to know your position
And don't even get me started on things you can't change as a user like really bad full text searches and stuff.
And I'm still yet to find that hot single in my area.
That being said, it seems a LOT of drops in quality trace back to some very senior person who cared about quality and put resources behind delivering quality and then either:
- stops caring
- leaves (retires, switches jobs or gets pushed out).
Jobs is the classic example of this but I'm sure if you are reading this then you have an example from your own career history.
The idea that visionary leadership in a single organization can make a difference is very true.
It's an article that inadvertently confuses readers with too many layers of indirection and requires reading another article to get the prerequisite "Insider Baseball" knowledge to connect all the metaphors together.
So... asking "why not Intel stickers on MacBooks?" ... analogous to asking about gravity. And "too many confusing options on GUIs" ... lines of code to enable extra options has a gravity.
> Not only is it very hard to create interfaces that have limitations, but a bad decision is not just precedent – it’s code that can be copied and reused. Existing code always had tons of… well, gravity, even before LLMs.
I assume this is just LLM nonsense?