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Posted by crescit_eundo 8 hours ago

Why is everyone trying to build a solid-state battery?(www.construction-physics.com)
143 points | 165 commentspage 2
jhawk28 4 hours ago|
I'm not trying to build a solid-state battery...
lenerdenator 4 hours ago||
Manufacturing the batteries would probably benefit from solid state. The Panasonic battery plant in the exurbs of Kansas City, MO has had two evacuations this year from thermal issues related to lithium-ion battery production, including one yesterday morning. [0] [1]

[0]https://www.kmbc.com/article/lithium-ion-batteries-catch-fir...

[1]https://www.kmbc.com/article/panasonic-plant-de-soto-evacuat...

hn6l4bg2fw 3 hours ago||
Yeah I've made peace with this too
NooneAtAll3 8 hours ago||
have I misread or 3/4 of the article explained what a battery is and only final tiny part got to "short-circuiting dendrites don't happen without electrolite"?
wolfi1 7 hours ago|
dendrites are an inherent problem with liquid elctrolytes and I would have emphasized that as well
ck2 7 hours ago|
are dendrites why so many people are now burning down their apartment/complex charging their scooters

is LiFePo4 immune to dendrite shorts? Or do they happen just don't burn?

reportingsjr 7 hours ago||
There are a number of reasons why lithium batteries may catastrophically fail and catch fire. Dendrite shorts is one, another reason is poor alignment of the layers during assembly, allowing for eventual shifting of layers leading to internal shorting. Another is conductive or sharp debris getting into the battery during manufacturing, and after a while the anode/cathode separator getting pierced by the debris. Lots of reasons!
hwillis 5 hours ago||
dendrites are not really a significant problem in popular batteries. It's associated with lithium metal, vs lithium in normal batteries is in the form of salts. Solid state lets you use metal, which is much more energy dense since you don't need the salts.

The most common lithium battery failure mode is that you have a hole in the plastic separator between the +/- sheets inside the battery, which shorts and causes a hotspot that eventually starts a fire. Dendrites cause the short by growing across the gap. In normal batteries it is caused by a manufacturing defect. The outcome is pretty similar.