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Posted by ai2027 6 hours ago

Gemini Robotics 2 brings whole body intelligence to robots(deepmind.google)
380 points | 339 commentspage 2
butlike 2 hours ago|
Why do we want to add more bodies on a finite plane of existence with an infinitely-expanding base (humans)?

We have a finite plane of existence (Earth), with an infinitely-expanding consumer base (humans), and we want to add robotic competition to that finite plane of existence? The data center AI is more appealing (I guess) since it doesn't compete literally shoulder-to-shoulder with me. Why do we want dexterous robots when we have humans?

antonyt 2 hours ago||
We show many signs of stopping our infinite expansion.

As for why we want dexterous robots, the obvious answer is to do things that we don't want to do. Things that are back-breaking, disgusting, dangerous, or just plain boring.

baron816 5 hours ago||
I don’t think this is where the robotics revolution is going to happen. The big one will be using AI to design and build highly specialized robots to automate mining and manufacturing.
jameshart 5 hours ago||
The AI will need generalized robots to build the highly specialized ones.
margalabargala 5 hours ago||
Why would building specialized robots require generalized robots?

Seems to me you'd do better if you built the robots with robots that were specialized in building robots.

jameshart 1 hour ago||
If it can make any robot then it’s not very specialized.
heaney-555 5 hours ago|||
Why not both?
mlyle 5 hours ago|||
Big humanoid robots are expensive, the actuators still suck, and the control problems are hard. Their big advantage is that they can occupy human-shaped spaces, but struggle to do anything useful.

Not to say we won't get humanoid robots eventually, but I think there's probably some low hanging fruit for people to make some other kinds of solutions. Specialized robots for industrial environment, well-thought out appliances for the home.

It would be a bit surprising if the progression was Roomba -> humanoid robot.

s08148692 5 hours ago||
We have Google, Figure, Tesla, Boston Dynamics, and literally dozens of Chinese companies building humanoid robots and making huge improvements in the tech. Not there yet by any means as a general-purpose home assistant, but I don't think it will be too surprising if at least one of them succeeds
chrsw 4 hours ago||
It will take a while before humanoids become useful. You can speed it up with extreme amounts of investment but it still wouldn’t be soon.
micromacrofoot 4 hours ago||
I'd say 10 years before they're a luxury item, if you look at what has progressed in the past 10 years it's been massive
baron816 4 hours ago|||
I hope humanoids will be ever present, it’s just that the scale of impact from specialized robots will be far greater. Humanoids will be our butlers, but the other robots will be creating a world of unimaginable abundance.
seydor 2 hours ago|||
agriculture first (mining and manufacturing are already robotizing).
fernly 5 hours ago||
Relevant: A San Francisco company is advertising humanoid robot housecleaning services[1]. However those 'bots require local supervision and a human controller watching through its video feed.

Presumably that company could use the Gemini Robotics product to eliminate the remote controller.

[1] https://www.tau-robotics.com/

modeless 5 hours ago|
I actually like Tau's videos a lot better than Google's. An agile robot getting out of a car carrying a tote is actually novel and difficult and useful. In contrast, what Google is showing here is mostly glorified pick and place with low success rates on a needlessly complex robot and a voice LLM slapped on top to pre-announce its moves like an anime character, with fancy video editing and bubbly music to distract you from how slow it is.

Sure Tau is teleoperated, but teleoperating an agile movement like that is actually really hard to get right and still involves AI to keep the robot balanced. Tau is a lot closer to real deployment than Google, and when it performs useful tasks it is simultaneously collecting the data to eventually automate those tasks.

LarsDu88 6 hours ago||
All VLM, VLA models. I wonder if these architectures will reach prod before Yann LeCunn's world model JEPA startup even gets off the ground in Europe.
swframe2 5 hours ago||
Welsh Labs has a great video on JEPA and robotics. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYkIdXwW2AE
cowboy_henk 5 hours ago||
A 36% success rate on screwing in a light bulb means there's probably something to LeCunn's take that VLM/VLA models aren't going to be the thing powering tomorrow's robots, but only time will tell.
heaney-555 5 hours ago|||
It's still very early days. There are many benchmarks that LLMs scored 36% on just 18 months ago that they're now at 100% on.
LarsDu88 5 hours ago|||
Where did you get this perf metric? I couldn't find it in the release
striking 5 hours ago||
Second chart (it's to the right of the first chart and clicking it to scroll is easier than otherwise)
LarsDu88 5 hours ago||
Wow screw lightbulb is lower than tie bag or close ziploc. Pretty surprising.
Flere-Imsaho 3 hours ago||
No mention of whether the robot's models run locally or in the cloud. Ie. Does it require an internet connection?

For a robot to be in my house it would have to run locally, there's no way I'm allowing one that runs in the cloud to operate my washing machine for example.

neuronexmachina 2 hours ago|
It does mention it though?

> Many robotic applications need to operate without network latency or internet connectivity. Gemini Robotics On-Device 2 is built specifically to handle these constraints — it is our most-efficient vision-language-action model (VLA) optimized to run locally on robotic devices.

Flere-Imsaho 1 hour ago||
Ah thankyou I missed that, good to hear.
fnoef 3 hours ago||
This is incredible. Seems like a big achievement.

The only thing that bothers me is what happens when robots finally automated "all the mundane day-to-day tasks" including our jobs, what is there left to do for common folks who are not geniuses working at Google/Anthropic/ChatGPT or occupy the C-Suite of these companies?

IanCal 3 hours ago|
The question of agency and the question of income are different. The former - we do things manually that can be automated for fun all the time and make entirely arbitrary weird things to do for no value. However some find it hard to move from work to leisure.

For income - who knows?

purplecats 1 hour ago||
anyone notice the jokes they put in?

* bot: "im nervous. is that a microphone?"

* bot: "great job, you're a machine!" (said to another bot, a machine)

* bot: clicks "i am [not] a robot" button on a computer

WarmWash 4 hours ago||
I think the biggest snag with home robots will be that if it is strong enough to install your air conditioners, it's strong enough to break your ribs.

So the robots will need to be weak, so even weak people can overpower it. But then it loses a ton of it's most promising abilities.

I don't mean this like a "rogue robot" situation. I mean it like the robot gets confused, or someone sees a walking $10M lawsuit in their home.

snek_case 4 hours ago|
I think that people will argue around that. Self-driving cars are already strong enough to kill people and even if you only made the robot strong enough to lift 15 pounds of weight, that's probably strong enough to slit someone's throat with a kitchen knife while they sleep... There probably isn't a level of strength that's weak enough to be completely safe but strong enough to be useful.

So at some point you have to trust that the tech is safe. Both in terms of "robot won't go off the rails", but also in terms of hostile actors can't remotely take over your robot while you sleep.

In terms of sleeping, personally, I would like for the law to mandate that robots must have a physical off switch, in a very visible location, that physically disconnects power. The switch should be illuminated while in the ON position. What makes me a bit pessimistic there is that we don't even have laws to mandate webcam indicator lights (e.g. a very tiny red LED) must be ON in hardware.

tireonfire 3 hours ago||
I'm asked to prove I'm not a bot if I want to watch the top video with sound.
seydor 2 hours ago|
it s a trick question, they are actually looking for robots
horacemorace 6 hours ago|
Fingers crossed this inspires a Chinese lab to release some weights so people can benefit.
martythemaniak 5 hours ago|
They already do: https://qwen.ai/blog?id=qwen-robotsuite

Nvidia also releases their Cosmos series models.

samhclark 5 hours ago||
Did qwen actually release those robotsuite weights? I can't seem to find them anywhere.
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