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Posted by pmg101 4 days ago

There Will Come Soft Rains (1950) [pdf](users.wpi.edu)
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rnbnnnn 12 hours ago|
You shouldn’t use straight quotes in that font.
pkasting 3 days ago||
Ray Bradbury is the best horror writer to have worked in a sci-fi milieu.

This story is one of only a couple sci-fi short stories to creep me out enough that I still remember them vividly decades later. (John Varley's "PRESS ENTER ■" is another.)

Animats 3 days ago||
The animated Russian version: [1] (1984)

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oxP3TyuQx0

the__alchemist 3 days ago||
I thought this might have been the one about the lush (but dangerous!) Venusian rainforest!

(In Bradbury's time, we knew Venus was covered in thick clouds, and could only speculate about what might be beneath the clouds. Clouds = rain = lush vegetation?)

hcs 3 days ago|
Same, seeing the title and having not read Bradbury for a long time I was thinking either The Veldt or that one (The Long Rain). I did remember it on reading, though, and it's an unsettling feeling.
CTDOCodebases 3 days ago||
I liked Ray Bradbury's thoughts on the internet when it first came into existence
jhbadger 3 days ago|
He also had interesting ideas on shopping malls of all things, hoping that they could turn into places where people would socialize besides shopping and that they should have a maze-like layout so that people could get what he called "enjoyably lost" the way people can exploring cities. The since-closed Horton Plaza mall in San Diego had an odd layout and the architect even claimed inspiration from Bradbury for it.
CTDOCodebases 3 days ago||
I think the maze thing is a strategy that mall operators use to trap shoppers in them and encourage them to spend more.
jhbadger 3 days ago|||
I'm sure that's why mall owners like it but Bradbury was advocating it from the angle of discovering cool alleys with little shops and restaurants like you can in an old chaotic city like Rome.
CTDOCodebases 3 days ago||
I think my particular experiences and shopping style have tainted my view.

I understand what you are talking about because the first time entering these spaces always holds a sense of wonder and discovery. Just like exploring the backstreets of some medieval city but since I generally shop alone and with purpose I am always frustrated by the process of exiting.

ButlerianJihad 3 days ago|||
I spent years of my childhood in Horton Plaza, as well as Seaport Village, Mission Valley Center, and Fashion Valley.

I would say that we never felt “trapped” by Horton’s layout. There were plenty of clearly-marked exits around the perimeter. But the maze features were remarkable and unique for us.

There were bridge walkways with an incline of half a level. There were asymmetrical stairways. The perimeter of stores was not square. There were many levels and elevators. There were no particular “anchor stores” like the big department stores, although the multiplex theater was a focal point.

Elements that kept us inside included food and the aroma of food. Just thinking back to 1989 in Horton, I can practically smell the warm pretzels, cinnamon rolls, and candy stores. There were benches and places to sit. There were sculptures and bold colors and the Jessop’s Clock. Santa Claus and his elves every Christmas. We were in the heart of downtown, but crime was unheard-of and mall rats did not bother us. It was a place to walk around and share family experiences. Perhaps we were the mall rats.

ButlerianJihad 3 days ago|||
Horton Plaza after Grand Opening - News 8 Throwback

https://youtu.be/YAbByjzwr9U?si=IUEvJKvdkRKm86b0

Horton Plaza Grand Opening - NBC 7 San Diego (KNSD channel 39)

https://youtu.be/thG4scWOr1E?si=9Nngt34VtKf13AdY

Oh, I was wrong about the "no anchor stores" comment -- as Nordstrom can be seen in this video. And I do recall walking through one, as the department stores had a presence on nearly every level of the mall, and normal escalators!

CTDOCodebases 3 days ago|||
Thanks for the description. I think I'll jump down the rabbit hole and see it for myself.
kebman 3 days ago||
I imagined one of those automatic lawn mowers on a very sunny day, going about its own business cutting the grass. Until it arrived on the non-shielded side, and it kinda sags a bit and keels over into the black-charred ground on that side. A clean shadow between the un-touched grass, and the ground in directly in the path of the blast. Or maybe the charred ground is for later. We need to see the nice, automated kitchen first. And only then the rest of the world. Would be a very interesting short film, I think.
AlphaGeekZulu 4 days ago||
"Here the silhouette in paint of a man mowing a lawn."

Bradbury describes the fully automated smart home, but its technology does obviously not extend into the garden exterior. Funny - that in reality robot vacuum cleaners and robot mowers were actually among the first gadgets in automated smart homes.

I perceive this as a flaw in the story. The author had a very prophetic vision of technology in the future, and with the silhouettes on the wall he produced a strong emotional image, but he didn't realize the contradiction.

Except, of course, if he envisioned manual lawn mowing as a future leisure activity!

fineIllregister 3 days ago||
> Bradbury describes the fully automated smart home, but its technology does obviously not extend into the garden exterior.

In the 7th to last paragraph, second sentence, he lists the automated processes still going, including "cutting the lawn by remote-control mower".

SwtCyber 4 days ago|||
People still cook in houses with microwaves and wash dishes despite owning dishwashers
ViscountPenguin 4 days ago||
Cooking is pretty different to lawn mowing here, you still can't replicate the output of a cooked meal with any easily available combination of home appliances and robotics (let alone just microwaves). I think a large chunk of people would probably stop cooking if that was possible.
deepsun 4 days ago|||
Well I enjoy mowing my lawn (with a mechanic mower of course). Anything but the office chair and monitor.
floren 3 days ago|||
Boy, I hope somebody got fired for that blunder!
doodlebugging 4 days ago||
Yeah. All they needed back then was a healthy dose of some of those new chemical fertilizer/herbicides to broadcast onto their monoculture non-native grass lawns. They could look forward to the smell of fresh-cut grass while they enjoyed snorting the exhaust from their leaded gasoline lawnmowers and edgers. They could have the nicest, greenest lawn on the block and be the envy of all their neighbors.

Later on, like their neighbors, they can stumble thru the last years of their lives with Parkinsons or other chemically-induced afflictions or just slowly waste away with internal cancers while their lead-addled offspring elect criminal pedophiles and imbeciles to lead the whole country - backwards.

Man, I need to go to sleep. I do agree with your analysis though.

purpleflame1257 3 days ago||
It's interesting to look at the short a story and see where we are still behind on home automation. We still don't have robot firefighting or accurate robot cooking, for example.
inigyou 3 days ago|
Fire sprinklers are robot firefighters.
jrsdav 3 days ago||
"There will come soft rains and the smell of the ground, And swallows circling with their shimmering sound;

And frogs in the pools singing at night, And wild plum trees in tremulous white,

Robins will wear their feathery fire Whistling their whims on a low fence-wire;

And not one will know of the war, not one Will care at last when it is done.

Not one would mind, neither bird nor tree If mankind perished utterly;

And Spring herself, when she woke at dawn, Would scarcely know that we were gone."

- Sara Teasdale, 1918

Didn't see the inspiration for Bradbury mentioned here. I love this poem. There's also a great song-rendition of it by The Three D's, a folk group popular in the 50's.

state_less 3 days ago||
Nice imagery, but feels like a bit of a put down of humanity. Humans are also nature, let's not leave ourselves out.

https://youtu.be/mTEUrdKehSg

the_af 3 days ago||
It is really an anti-war poem rather than anti-humanity or about nature in general. Sara Teasdale was forced to write her sentiments obliquely. From Wikipedia:

> "The Sedition Act of 1918 enacted two months before the original publication of "There Will Come Soft Rains" made it a criminal offense to "willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of the Government of the United States" and forced Teasdale to express her opposition to World War I "obliquely" in what might appear to be a pastoral poem."

If you think about it, Bradbury's story is also anti-war.

state_less 3 days ago||
If you read the Influences section just under section you quoted from Wikipedia, it seems she was under the influence of the idea of an 'uncaring universe' from reading Darwin.

And yet there are humans that treat animals well (e.g. dogs, cats, crows and so on... ) These animals would feel the loss if humans disappeared. So i don't think it's right to say that nature (animals) wouldn't care and that the sentiment is a bit of implied put down of animals capacity for emotion and caring. Animals can care about their own and across species. Humanity would do well to feel less disjoint and separate from other humans and animals. That alone would reduce conflict a great amount and highlight the good that can be done between humans and animals.

As you probably noticed, I'm not fond of making a big distinction between humans and animals or nature. Hope that gives another perspective, and yeah, she probably was against the war and upset about the way humans were behaving at the time.

the_af 3 days ago||
Thanks for the reply. I agree with you that humans are animals and also part of nature. I don't think there's an implied put down of animals or nature in the poem. I think the author was talking about how meaningless and tragic human endeavors are, such as war, when framed against the rest of nature. While (some) animals would briefly miss us -- and yes, some would struggle to live without mankind, having become dependent on us -- this would be brief, and nature would continue without us.
vulcan01 3 days ago||
This poem is in the short story.
pimlottc 3 days ago||
I think they mean it hasn't been discussed in the comments
katzgrau 3 days ago|
No nuclear apocalypse yet.

Nice.

butlike 3 days ago||
Maybe it happened while we were sleeping and this is just some radioactive psychedelic dream
WillAdams 3 days ago||
For the fictional take on that see Ursula K. LeGuin's wonderful novel _The Lathe of Heaven_ --- the PBS movie version is unexpectedly quite good.
none2585 3 days ago|||
The day is young!
darkwater 3 days ago||
It happened the day before, since children were still playing. We are safe.
excalibur 3 days ago||
My impression was that it had happened several days to a few weeks prior. Enough time for the house through ordinary daily activity to largely exhaust its water reserves. Of course most of today's actual houses don't keep that much on hand, but it sounds like this one had a sizable store at one point.
darkwater 3 days ago||
Sure, I should have said "at least the day before"
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