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Posted by automatoney 5 hours ago

Show HN: Simple algorithm and color space to generate diverse skin tones(toneyalexander.github.io)
Hello HN!

I found that picking out plausible but diverse skin tones for my digital art and game development projects was kind of difficult, and I got curious about if there was a way to define a color space that made it easy.

I've built a color picker and procedural generation algorithm based on the space as well as a bunch of other fun js features and demos throughout the page that use the equations. If you find it interesting, I have lots of explanations of how I built it and what properties the space has.

The methodology might be a bit shaky, but hopefully the result is as helpful for others as I have found it! There's lots of room for improvements (see the Future Work section), but I'm really happy with how it turned out.

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s1mon 2 hours ago|
It's always entertaining to try to understand these things from first principles. Color and skin color in particular are very complex things to measure and model. It's not just a physical quantity, it's also a matter of human perception based on lighting and a host of factors.

It seems like some work was done to research existing approaches, but I don't see any reference to Pantone Skin Tones [0]. Without intending to, I've worked on 3 different projects which involved measuring skin tones for makeup applications. The Pantone range is not 100% perfect, but it's pretty well done and easy to understand. There are two axes: a light/dark one, and red-yellow one [1].

[0] https://www.pantone.com/na/en-us/skintone

[1] https://cosmeticsbusiness.com/pantone-skintone-guide-80945

ptmkenny 2 hours ago||
There's also the Monk Skin Tone Scale by Dr. Monk and Google (available under a CC attribution 4.0 international license). It was developed for machine learning, so it's not exactly the same use case, but it provides 10 colors in a variety of formats, including hexadecimal. https://skintone.google/get-started
zild3d 2 hours ago||
well its not a free as in beer color space
mkesper 4 minutes ago||
Related, pencils for more accurately drawing skin tones: https://hautfarben.org/en/products/skin-tones-pencils
dahart 1 hour ago||
> What colors are we? The short answer is maybe something like “brown” and the long answer is very, very long.

Pete Shirley (author of Ray Tracing In One Weekend) is also a part time color scientist, and he clued me into the fact that if you crank the saturation to 100% of pictures of people of any race, the skin color comes out orange. I think I heard that some face detectors may work on this principle, but I don’t remember where I heard that.

madcaptenor 44 minutes ago|
and brown is just dark orange.
vermarish 4 hours ago||
This is beautiful work! First, I thought this would involve using PCA to go from 3D to 2D, which would result in an easier selector to use, but at the expense of representing every person.

Then, I thought this would stop at using the U-space vectors (the ones that form the basis of the PCA image) and their corresponding ellipse to form our color space, but no, the function fitting is a very slick idea, even if it was executed by hand.

Lastly, I love the presentation of sampling from different r values. Whether you sample from a fixed r value or a range of r values, I bet this has great applications in game design or animation.

I still don't quite get the manual data labeling process at the beginning? It seems like it would encode some bias, but the consistency of the first point cloud and the results certainly speak for themselves.

dr_scully 4 hours ago||
If you look at my doctoral thesis, in fact skin colour can be parametrised using melanin and haemoglobin concentration; which it means it is indeed (roughly) two dimensional. This allows you to invert the colour of a pixel and identify someone’s chromophore concentration. This is based on previous work of others cited in the thesis.

https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/10093345/

dTal 3 hours ago|||
Oh goody, an expert in a question I've always wanted to ask.

Once upon a time, I encountered a sort of interactive museum book called "Earthsearch". One of its "exhibits" was a color wheel, made of two spinnable pieces of tinted acetate, that purported to be able to generate any skin tone. I suppose this is three degrees of freedom, since for any position of the two wheels you could access a range of colors around the edge - but the printed page underneath was simply a grayscale gradient, so one degree of freedom was simply luminance.

The book was released in 1994, and was very confident. It even went as far as to encourage the reader to see a doctor, should their skin tone not be achievable! What color model were they using?

dr_scully 3 hours ago|||
That’s sounds very interesting. I’m not sure. In the thesis, I generated spectral curves and transformed them using the light and camera sensitivity curves. So, in theory it could be used in any color space.

But I can’t vouch for the accuracy of the book, but I suspect it was an approximation.

The haemoglobin and melanin are roughly in separate layers of the skin. There is an approximation known as Beer-Lambert that models the skin as two semi-transparent layers. This ignores subsurface scattering, but is roughly correct.

So, in theory two acetate sheets might replicate this. That’s my intuitive opinion. It has been many years since I did this work.

mhink 3 hours ago|||
Oh man, that's a blast from the past, I think I had that book! Was that the one with an aluminum cover?
dTal 2 hours ago||
That's it! They (rather dubiously) claimed it came from a recycled Russian coke can, if I recall.
GolDDranks 4 hours ago|||
I've heard that the so-called "yellowish" skin color that non-tanned East Asians tend to have, is due to relative abundance of subcutaneous fat. If that's true, is that captured by the haemoglobin dimension or is it a yet another degree of freedom?
dr_scully 3 hours ago|||
We used the approximation that the hypodermis was a perfectly white reflector; so the thickness wouldn’t matter. The collagen fibrills scatter light in such a way to create a yellower tint. So a person’s skin might appear this way in the absence of melanin and haemoglobin. I’m not an expert on population statistics, and so cannot give an opinion on specific skin types. Everything was based on ranges.

There is a separate effect of increased bilirubin content, that would appear if someone was ill.

HanClinto 2 hours ago||
This brings up an interesting topic of atypical compounds that can visibly affect skin coloring -- whether temporary or more long-lived (such as elevated methemoglobin levels in the Blue Fugates of Kentucky).

It's fascinating to learn that melanin and haemoglobin are the two primary factors (and cover the vast majority of cases), but I'm curious how many other illnesses / disorders can produce compounds with visible effects.

Thank you for your posts on this thread -- I appreciate you knowledge-sharing on this!

dr_scully 2 hours ago||
In theory, you can construct a skin model of any condition you want. It would be a case of knowing the concentration, scattering profiles and reflectance spectra of any chromophores. For the thesis, I wrote a Monte Carlo skin simulator using OpenCL, when it has just come out. You could plug anything in there.
skydhash 3 hours ago||||
Not an expert, but when I was learning 3d modeling, there was a good chapter on subsurface scattering which affect the human skin rendering. It’s what give it liveness instead of looking like a doll.
Joel_Mckay 3 hours ago|||
All skin is slightly translucent, and color/tones forms a gradient across the surface of the skin. Your upper cheeks and forehead are usually slightly reddish, and the chin/neck are slightly bluish.

People only turn yellow if they have kidney or liver damage. However, some distinctive features like Lucy Liu's natural freckles are tough to draw right.

We looked around a lot for a procedural texture/shader to help make the project characters look less sickly, and please also consider supporting the persons work if you are able:

https://kuhantilope.gumroad.com/l/ultimate-skin

Best of luck =3

CITIZENDOT 1 hour ago|||
I didn't know chin/neck are slightly bluish, can we make it more explicit without side effects?
Joel_Mckay 33 minutes ago||
It is a classic artist starting off point to first drop a red/blue gradient as a base mixing layer, and add skin details/masks for each additional texture layer/feature.

The "The Ultimate Blender 3D Sculpting Course" covers several sculpting techniques, and while this course has a number of challenges it does cover several basics. Probably wise to wait for a sale event if interested.

https://www.udemy.com/course/blender-3d-sculpting-course/

Best of luck =3

iwontberude 2 hours ago|||
> People only turn yellow if they have kidney or liver damage.

This is not true. Roughly 5% of people have Gilbert's Syndrome which is genetic, metabolic abnormality where the bilirubin from dead blood cells are conjugated slower than the baseline patient leading to yellowing of the skin. It is not due to liver damage or disease and is a benign condition. Not to mention there is carotenemia from eating too many carrots or squash -- again not kidney/liver damage related.

Joel_Mckay 2 hours ago||
Gilbert's Syndrome is a genetic disorder that causes liver malfunction, and people can't produce proper enzymes.

This thread discusses physiology in an art context. Maybe get outside for a walk, and consider if LLMs are making people silly. =3

automatoney 4 hours ago||
Thank you! I call out the manual labeling bias and also that a future work improvement would be to be scientific about that labeling process (multiple labelers, expert labelers), and then to feed that into the equation generation steps. Part of where the "good enough" naming comes from - I was hoping that using my art brain and keeping a bunch of reference images in mind (shout out to the Humanae project) would maybe offset the bias a bit. But 100% right on the bias being there.
mbo 3 hours ago||
Love it!

I was looking at this a little while ago, and used some of The Pudding's data on makeup/foundation shades (https://pudding.cool/2018/06/makeup-shades/) and plotted it into the Oklab colorspace (https://observablehq.com/@55th/foundation-shades). The shades form themselves into that same crescent as seen in the article.

automatoney 3 hours ago|
Woah I LOVE both of these! When I get a chance these are 100% getting linked from the writeup.
andai 4 hours ago||
Nice. Most of these colors look right to me, but I'm also seeing green, blue and purple? If you're curating colors from the space manually then it's not a problem.

"Only realistic colors" would be a different problem. And I'm not sure if there's a way to solve that problem without excluding some real colors too.

(Maybe if the colour selector was a different shape? I don't know much about color spaces.)

automatoney 4 hours ago||
Yes absolutely right on - I mention much deeper in the page that in a picker UI you can use a bigger range, but that in a generation context you might want to be a bit more selective. I go into it a bit more when I explain what R^2 is.

"not sure if there's a way to solve that problem without excluding some real colors too" - 100% right on that too. A big part of this work was to define a way to tweak/improve the equations in order to approach a solution to these issues - part of my hope in sharing is to get more eyes and brains thinking about this and proposing improvements!

compass_copium 4 hours ago||
I would have "show sphere" on by default--this kind of threw me at first, too.

This is a really nice project. Great work and a great write-up. Thanks for sharing.

rsynnott 2 hours ago|||
> blue

You'd be surprised: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argyria

richiebful1 4 hours ago|||
Reducing the R^2 value to ~1.5 excludes skin colors that are extremely blue, green and purple. That seems to be a happy medium between including real outliers and excluding colors like green.
wongarsu 4 hours ago||
If you drag the bottom slider all the way to the right you only have plausible skin tones. Drag it all the way to the right and you can match skin tones for orcs, Na'vi and djinn
stephantul 4 hours ago||
Love it. I especially thought the introspective “aside” section on related resources was great, and I wish more people would show this kind of reflection.
automatoney 4 hours ago|
Thanks! I hope to send lots of love those ways, they're basically all things that I found outside of this work that I liked enough to remember (I think Humanae was the one that I found while doing this).
E-Reverance 2 hours ago||
I definitely don't speak for all non-white people when I say this, but personally I find people obsessing over it disturbing/offensive independent of whether their intentions are racist or anti-racist. I did find modeling/data-driven perspective cool though
m_w_ 4 hours ago||
This is super cool! I have always loved projects that try to categorize color space. Usually my work has gone in the other direction - isGray, isCloseToWhite, isPastel - but it's the same insofar as it's defining shapes like your matplot visual.

Wish I had this on hand like this three or four years ago when I was working on VR avatar software - we had hard-coded skin tone options at the time - would have been a cool addition!

automatoney 4 hours ago|
In sharing this around I've found more people than I thought who've done things to semantically chop up the color space - definitely a more interesting area than I first thought of when working on my narrow use case. Feels like it'd be fun to play with something that has a whole bunch of different regions of color space labeled - like "here's where IsPastel overlaps with IsGreen".

But absolutely the hope is that this is a tool that stays accessible to people for whatever they're building and everyone can slow down on reinventing the wheel here for every character creator/digital art application.

stu2b50 1 hour ago||
I think it’s worthwhile to note this is under a light with a color temperature similar to sunlight.

When you’re actually painting, skin can really be any color. Blue is a perfectly valid (and fairly common) skin color - just look at someone in the moonlight. It takes two to tango, and the other dancer is the light source.

dofm 3 hours ago|
Interesting though that the 1.5 setting (at least on my older iPhone) doesn’t really ever seem to cover the range of skin tones of indigenous Australians (“aboriginal” and Torres Strait Islanders), who apparently get their skin tones from a somewhat different expression of genes than other peoples with darker skin.

The 2.0 “outliers” cover those skin tones.

Masai and some Somali skin tones, similarly, look better represented by the outliers.

The full range of possible human skin tones is perhaps a bit of a challenge for technical colour representation, partly because diffuse reflectance seems to vary so much and that is hard to approximate on screen (e.g. as any website designer could attest, the difference between representing silver and grey is the use of highlights), though the representation of skin tones is a lot better than the early colour film era.

automatoney 3 hours ago|
Yes, 2.0 is the value I tuned the equations around - but I think there's definitely room for improvement in terms of squashing the space along the fair/deep axis in order to get better results at lower R^2.

The issue I ran into was what happens when the space moves beyond RGB, but I think the fix is to just add clamps to the end R, G, B values.

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