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Posted by teleforce 7 hours ago

Aristotle quotes on virtue, knowledge, and happiness(www.campion.edu.au)
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pinnate 6 hours ago|
Much of this is either simply not Aristotle, or a paraphrase from one of his works incorrectly attributed to another. My slop meter is pinging.

Edit:

Between the misattributions, fabricated quotes, listicle format, thin explanatory paragraphs, and use of “delve” (posted Nov 2024 - during ChatGPT’s Delve Era), this is a pretty embarrassing thing for a Liberal Arts college to post.

yunnpp 3 hours ago||
Thanks for delving, I hadn't picked up on the misattributions. But I'm looking to read some of those books now given the comments here.
groundzeros2015 5 hours ago||
It’s also embarrassing to see a philosopher summarized in quotes or sayings when their real thesis is probably the opposite of what the snippet suggests,

Philosophy is not about clever observations! They are developing systems and arguments you have to actually read to understand.

BusterBladeZX 6 hours ago||
https://www.backstory.today/b/y2v04s
deepfriedbits 6 hours ago||
> "Friendship is a single soul dwelling in two bodies."

What a cool way to convey the benefits of having strong friendships.

notorandit 7 hours ago||
If you ever wondered, those are among the things that made that single person standing out of the crowd od Humanity for more than two thousands years.<3
andsoitis 7 hours ago||
“It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.”
bwfan123 6 hours ago||
> entertain a thought without accepting it

Entertaining an idea is understanding it. And, there is some research to show that understanding an idea is believing it. Hence, understanding an idea and not believing it is very effortful.

[1] https://bear.warrington.ufl.edu/brenner/mar7588/Papers/gilbe...

magicmicah85 5 hours ago|||
I see this quote a lot and can never find it in original sources for Aristotle. It seems to be a misattribution from the foreword of Religion and the Pursuit of Truth by Lowell L Bennion

https://archive.org/details/religionpursuito0000lowe/page/n5...

andsoitis 2 hours ago||
Who cares? The idea is pretty powerful.
pmdulaney 7 hours ago||
From Aristotle?

Along the same lines: "Education is the ability to listen to almost anything without losing your temper or your self-confidence." -- Robert Frost

john_strinlai 7 hours ago|||
>From Aristotle?

apparently not, actually:

"The earliest that this quotation appears in print is in Religion and the Pursuit of Truth (1959) by Lowell Bennion."

or

"First attributed to Aristotle in Lowell L. Bennion, Religion and the Pursuit of Truth (1959). Unfound as such.

Sometimes thought (though I feel it's a bit of a stretch) a misinterpretation of Nicomachean Ethics 1.3.4 (1094b): "For it is the mark of an educated person to search for the same kind of clarity in each topic to the extent that the nature of the matter accepts it.""

notorandit 7 hours ago|||
Maybe, yes "maybe" Robert got inspiration from a guy who lived two thousands years earlier.
ignoramous 6 hours ago||

  The aim of the wise is not to secure pleasure, but to avoid pain.
Reminds me of Charlie Munger's Inversion principle that he borrowed from German mathematician Carl Gustav Jacob Jacobi's man muss immer umkehren. https://fs.blog/inversion/

  We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit.
As counter points, read Cedirc Chin's Problems with deliberate practice, https://commoncog.com/the-problems-with-deliberate-practice/ and Sensemaking as the heart of expertise, https://commoncog.com/sensemaking-heart-of-expertise/

  It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
This Amjad Masad comment lives rent-free in my head: "Tolerating some amount of cognitive dissonance is one of the best things that I was able to develop in myself ... people don't update their beliefs when new evidence comes to light ... The drive to avoid cognitive dissonance shackles you to your existing beliefs (see confirmation bias)". https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11799477 (2016).

cf. Why people that are often right change their minds often, https://fs.blog/some-advice-from-jeff-bezos/

potentdream 7 hours ago||
Nice!
f13f1f1f1 3 hours ago||
bro just read the book Aristotle did not run a twitter account
Razengan 3 hours ago||
You know I always found it odd/unfair how religions were founded around Jesus, Muhammed etc but not for Aristotle, Socrates etc.
graboy 1 hour ago||
I've thought about this. Aristotle doesn't draw as hard of a line between right and wrong behavior or advocate for specific actions, with the right action depending on circumstance, and to finding the middle path. Traditional religions might be a bit more hardline, with specific rules or commandments. It's easier to identify with belonging to a particular group when the line between belonging and not belonging is more crisp and defined by particular practices.

Would love to know if others have takes.

andsoitis 2 hours ago|||
The Greek philosophers were more wise, humble, and didn’t think they’re deities.
another_poster 2 hours ago||
There actually were religions founded around the philosophers. The mathematikoi were a cult of followers of Pythagoras that believed everything was Number, and they believed they could purify their souls by learning theorems. And the Neoplatonists founded a religious school based on the works of Plato (with significant elaboration by Plotinus). Christianity ultimately incorporated many Neoplatonic beliefs, along with Stoic beliefs that stemmed from Heraclitus, who argued everything was Logos, which has one translation as Word, which is an opening statement in the Bible’s book of John. Aristotle’s works also went on to have a transformative impact on Judaism, Christianity, and Islam through Maimonides, Aquinas, and Averroes, who all interpreted his works.

I agree it’s still interesting that major religions were not founded at the time of the early philosophers — maybe it’s because religion as we conceive of it today depends on a type of bureaucracy that wasn’t achievable in the classical era?

whjte 6 hours ago|
it do be like that