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Posted by hackerBanana 4 hours ago

Atlassian Rovo Exfiltrates Data, Bypassing Controls(www.promptarmor.com)
89 points | 28 commentspage 2
khanan 3 hours ago|
Atlassian has gone from a trusted enterprise-partner to a complete shit-show in just 18 months. This surprises nobody. There will be classes taught in how to fuck up a good business and Atlassian will be the prime example.

Regards, /someone who migrated 3500 users from Atlassians products recently due to their "cloud only"-bullshit.

zelphirkalt 2 hours ago||
They were not trustworthy years ago already. Using Atlassian products, one has had to look out for disastrous announcements about their customer data usage way before 18 months ago, especially, if running a business inside the EU, and at least trying to adhere to data protection laws.
yborg 3 hours ago|||
You'd have to look at their profit numbers. They have a huge captive base of customers, like Adobe it might take decades for things to get bad enough and alternatives to arise before their profitability is impacted. And the executives who benefit will have cashed out long before then.
walrus01 2 hours ago||
Recently saw an example of somebody who vibe coded a tool to mass export the contents of a 'Confluence' wiki into an instance of self hosted mediawiki, preserving everything.

Mediawiki as a whole has a feature set that 95% of organizations will only scratch the surface of. There's a ridiculous number of possible plugins and customization if you have somebody who knows what they're doing with it.

The majority of companies that need an internal KB/wiki do not have as complex needs or use cases as wikipedia itself or the wikimedia foundation.

busterarm 1 hour ago||
I've been at more than one company that migrated _from_ MediaWiki to Confluence. It usually boils down to "non-developers have to use this and Markdown+plugins is hard".

Turns out no matter how much better the thing is, the users have to know what they're doing more than the operators do.

walrus01 22 minutes ago||
visualeditor has been a thing for a long time now, no non technical user needs to ever touch markdown

https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor

It's the same GUI WYSIWYG interface you get by default if editing a page on public wikipedia.

git-nebulous 1 hour ago|||
To be fair to Atlassian - their products did suck quite a bit before 18 months ago as well. Just now they still do, but with ai!
gbalduzzi 3 hours ago|||
I started to consider it a show show way earlier than 18 months ago. Jira is so terrible to use that it is hard to phantom how they are able to be paid for their product
mosura 2 hours ago||
Jira is how it is because almost any product that grows to be that flexible will develop the same problems.

They failed to rearchitect it to something suitable for the inherent flexibility though, so it remains a disaster area, but one that is uniquely able to fit the whims of any manager that can then mandate it for everyone else.

rmunn 57 minutes ago||
Maybe the workflows, etc., are inherent complexity, so that any similarly-flexible product will have the same problems.

But the awful client-server architecture, where anything you do takes several seconds of waiting for the client to send who-knows-what to the server and get data back, even selecting something from a dropdown... that is absolutely just Jira. A competing product would be able to deliver much, MUCH snappier UX. Jira is just the crappiest, slowest UI that I have ever had the displeasure of being forced to work with.

mosura 32 minutes ago||
I invite you to write such a trivially flexible workflow system, and see what happens to the performance of your user interface.

They needed someone over there with the power to say no.

chollida1 2 hours ago||
if you track their 5 year stock price you'll find the market fully agrees with you. It was $458 in 2021 and is $112 now.

The market caught on quickly that Atlassian's software fits into the group of software like Oracle or SAP that no one uses by choice and only uses because it was forced on them.

shagie 2 hours ago||
> ... Many forms of issue tracking have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that Jira is perfect or all-wise. Indeed, it has been said that Jira is the worst of the issue trackers except all those other forms that have been tried from time to time; but there is the broad feeling in our company that the people should track, continuously track, and that client opinion, expressed by all project management means, should shape, guide, and control the actions of management who are their masters and not their servants. ...

-- Churchill, House of Commons, 11 November 1947

automatic6131 1 hour ago||
Ahh yes: "when you Rovo, you oh-no my data"
mhrsntrk 1 hour ago||
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