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Posted by speckx 2 days ago

I'm switching my phone from Android to Linux(runarcn.no)
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MrDrMcCoy 2 days ago|
I have Furiphone and F(x)tec devices. They ought to work well as mobile Linux devices, but they very much do not. They are unbearably slow, which I attribute to poor storage I/O optimization and Phosh being an obese sloth.
yndoendo 1 day ago||
I have a F(x)tec device. It had the issue were it no longer boots when the battery is fully depleted. It also came with Android vs Linux. It is now e-waste. To my knowledge the company died off.

I have a PinePhone. That was just a toy gadget and nothing of value as a daily driver. Another e-waste device.

I have a FuriLabs FLX1S. It is a complete pack that is mostly plug and play. The latest update improves a lot. Wayland layer works great for when you need to run an application that has no Linux equivalent, such as Kore. It still rough around the edges.

1) Chatty, SMS application, needs more features to better incorporate modern SMS communication protocols.

2) The phone dialer takes too long to start up.

3) The microSD path is hard-code so it does not play nice when being encrypted drive were /run path is used.

4) Gnome Files works better the the Index file manager but there is no proper tie-in for password management. This means you must enter your encrypted microSD password every time after a reboot.

5) Convergence station cannot handle an ultra-wide, 3440x1440, screen monitor.

6) Firefox has a buggy user experience were there is no way to hide the tabs listing or options popup from with-in the application. One must swipe out of the application into the desktop and go back to Firefox.

7) Some of the UI time out settings are too short. Such as watching a video in full screen mode. Press to show the controls and by the time you start engaging with them the controls auto-hide again.

8) Don't know of a way to export SMS history from Android and import to Linux.

Once it is a little more polished the FLXS1 will become my daily driver. It has become my Bluetooth music player. I also use it more than my actual phone daily.

seba_dos1 2 days ago|||
Both Furiphone and F(x)tec phones are Halium devices. They rely on Android layers underneath the GNU-like userspace. They don't really work as actual "mobile Linux" phones at all, so they're not a particularly good representation.
MrDrMcCoy 2 days ago||
I somehow doubt Halium explains the level of performance I've seen from them.
seba_dos1 2 days ago||
Something has to, Phosh runs well on much less powerful devices and several components need to be patched to work on top of Halium, so you're not really running the mainline Phosh environment there anyway.
LtWorf 2 days ago||
I had a pinephone and switched from phosh to plasma-mobile. The hardware was very limited but with plasma it was much much better at least.
juiceland 2 days ago||
Note that “I’m switching” here means “I’m now carrying two phones because I have to use Android.”

FTA:

> The no waydroid means that I can't access some apps that I need be it for online verification for logging onto bank and government services in Norway

MrDrMcCoy 2 days ago||
Tell your government that selling your citizenship to foreign businesses is not OK.
curt15 2 days ago|||
So EU "digital sovereignty" still means hitching most critical functionality to Google?
__m 2 days ago||
will try the new jolla phone, it allows you to toggle app support for android apps.
preisschild 2 days ago||
"I'm switching my phone from <free software> to <proprietary software>"

Why not just use an Android AOSP distribution? SailfishOS is proprietary. It will be a lot more "locked down" than LineageOS/GrapheneOS.

toastal 2 days ago|
Sailfish has some proprietary stuff to deal with the Android & Sony as well as Qt being Qt. Much of their software is open source—& collaborative with translations & forums for feedback. Out of the box, you on Sailfish you get root support which lets you actually be the device owner. You are allowed to install whatever software from wherever you want… things Android no longer is. It’s not a flawless platform, but Android in practice gives you so, so little control over your actual device.
hn_submit 1 day ago||
Although I'm supportive of your cause I find it ultimately futile. Developing and maintaining a mobile operating system is a hugely expensive endeavor. Only a wildly profitable company like Google could do so and give it away for free.

Linux simply isn't up to the task despite there being some touch-enabled user interfaces available for it. There's so much more people expect from their mobile these days.

The best option would be to use /e/OS or GrapheneOS to limit your exposure to Google's incessant spying and tracking.

fsflover 1 day ago||
There are actually some people using a GNU/Linux phone as a daily driver for years. I'm one of them.
hn_submit 1 day ago||
Maybe you should write a blog about it. I'm interested.

I'm afraid there will be too many corners cut. The most important being the lack of available software. I'm of the notion that a computer without software is nothing more than a box of wires.

palata 1 day ago||
> Developing and maintaining a mobile operating system is a hugely expensive endeavor.

I agree, it feels like trying to write a new browser from scratch.

> The best option would be to use /e/OS or GrapheneOS

I would highly recommend GrapheneOS (disclaimer: I used both for years).

_carbyau_ 2 days ago||
One of the issues is the network effect self reinforcing by the organistions you'd normally trust to be above this sort of thing. Like government bodies requiring that you use one of two american phone OS. No webpage and no other options for you...

Example, across the whole of my 2.8 million people city, parking is app-to-pay. No meter, no ticket box - just a sign announcing to pay by app and a QR code.

QR code points at a webpage announcing which very limited selection of apps you have for iOS and android and the backup option to ring a number.

Ringing that number means you talk to a person, make an account for only one of the apps over the phone, then use the phone menu system each time you need to park.

If you have a dumb phone(can't scan a QR code) or no phone... you're fucked. No way to pay for parking. Expect your fine and go through the bullshit processes.

The world should NOT think it is great to be so dependant on two US companies, but here we are.

youaremidwit 2 days ago|
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Cheese48923846 2 days ago||
Doesn't Android already use the Linux kernel?
WorldMaker 2 days ago||
The top of the article addresses this a bit: yes, Android in theory is AOSP [Android Open Source Project] which is still Linux based. (For now, lots of rumors every Android release that a kernel switch is coming.) But AOSP has lost a lot of power as Android moved so many things to Google Play Services [closed source], which leaves room for Linux-based phone OSes that disown/disavow AOSP entirely because what's the point of playing ball with a half-closed ecosystem anyway? (The article discusses the Ubuntu Touch fork still seeing some maintenance despite Canonical giving up and decides on Sailfish OS.)
seba_dos1 1 day ago||
You can build various, vastly different operating systems around the same kernel. When people refer to "Linux phones", they usually mean the family of systems often referred to as GNU/Linux distributions, which Android very clearly doesn't belong to.
kopirgan 2 days ago||
Seems you need to buy a phone from them to use it? Couldn't find list of hardware supported, how to install etc.
_joel 2 days ago||
Complete non-starter for me until banking apps support it (even rooted android would be a start).
fsflover 2 days ago|
So you are stuck in the walled garden. Alternatively, you could find a bank not forcing the duopoly on you. Worked for me.
_joel 2 days ago||
I don't particularly care for the messing around. I'm of an age now where I've done that and prefer to spend my time not working around self-imposed tech issues.

Also, good luck finding a bank in the UK that can support that (without messing around with desktop web instead on mobile instead of the app).

VGHN7XDuOXPAzol 1 day ago||
Monzo in UK is fine with rooted and no Google Play. No idea how it would fare inside Waydroid though.
seba_dos1 1 day ago||
It it's fine with rooted and no Google Play, that would usually mean it will be fine with Waydroid too.
Animats 2 days ago||
What's a good phone for use without Google's Play Store? F-Droid only. No Google account.
wishfish 2 days ago||
Pixels with GrapheneOS are your best and safest bet.

In my specific case, I couldn't use Pixels because the terrible PWM on the screen was painful to me. Bought a cheap Motorola G Power 2024 with an IPS screen. Never logged into Google. Used Obtanium and FDroid for most things. Used Aurora for the one Play-only app that I needed. Running Netguard (a non-root firewall) with a whitelist so almost nothing phones home. Deleted or disabled almost all the non-essential built-in apps.

I like the Moto but wouldn't recommend it due to the lack of OS updates. But this setup could be easily duplicated on almost any Android without needing root or roms.

bhelkey 2 days ago|||
Ironically, Google Pixel phones are the best phones for leaving Google behind.

The have an unlocked bootloader and are the only phones supported by GrapheneOS [1].

If you don't want to go to GrapheneOS, any Android phone should be able to use F-Droid.

[1] https://grapheneos.org/faq#supported-devices

Animats 2 days ago||
After September, will you still be able to install F-Droid on phones with Google accounts?
martheen 2 days ago||
https://developer.android.com/developer-verification/guides/..., it's tied to the Google account so afterwards any device owned by the user can install F-Droid and any APK made by "unverified" devs.
Animats 1 day ago||
Sorry, without Google accounts. I don't want a Google account on my phone. I've never had one.
hommelix 2 days ago||
I'm happy with my Fairphone FP4 with LineageOS, but that just one datapoint.
nc55g3g 2 days ago|
There are too few apps on Linux phones, otherwise I would have migrated there
mdp2021 2 days ago||
> too few apps

Temporary. The age of LLM aided development is current.

fsflover 2 days ago||
But which apps exactly are you missing?
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