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Posted by theanonymousone 9 hours ago

Mario Meets Pareto(www.mayerowitz.io)
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charv 6 hours ago|
I would really love to be able to explore this data, e.g. what is the "worst" driver? Is there an inverse Pareto front?
chriswarbo 4 hours ago|
> Is there an inverse Pareto front?

Yes, trivially. Just look at the opposite end of each metric. Pareto optimality doesn't know/care what each metrics means, since it keeps them all separate.

Agentlien 5 hours ago||
On a tangent, I was a bit confused by the everyday examples given in this article.

"We're often faced with similar trade-offs. You want a meal that's both cheap and delicious? A job that's both well-paid, easy, and fulfilling?"

I really don't feel like "easy" is a dimension I wish to optimize for in a job. It almost feels opposite to what I've actually optimized for - since for me a fulfilling job usually means full of deep technical challenges. I want a job without unnecessary friction, without interpersonal drama, even one that's low stress. But definitely not easy.

wiether 5 hours ago||

  > I want a job without unnecessary friction, without interpersonal drama, even one that's low stress.
That's part of how I see an "easy" job. Where I can focus on working on the actual tasks at hand.

Doesn't matter if the actual job is filling glasses of water or building rockets; as long as I can focus on it for 100% of my working hours, I'd see it as an "easy" job.

blanched 5 hours ago|||
I get what you’re saying, but I wouldn’t say easy is the opposite of challenging. As a quick example, I would surely find a day job of manual labor harder and significantly less enjoyable than a day job of software engineering challenges.

(And please note that I do not mean to imply that there are no challenges in manual labor or that software engineering is more important.)

ytpete 4 hours ago|||
Maybe instead of "easy" what they really meant that axis to convey is something more like "low stress" or "not frustrating"
jimbokun 5 hours ago|||
They’re just hypothetical examples, not meant to apply to everyone.
StilesCrisis 5 hours ago|||
It sounds like you're saying "easy" and "fulfilling" cannot coexist, and obviously they are in tension, but a Pareto frontier still exists there.
Georgelemental 5 hours ago|||
Well then, you would prioritize "fulfilling" in your utility function. Others might make a different choice; e.g. a single parent who needs to save time and energy for family might prefer "easy" at the cost of boring drudgery
Agentlien 5 hours ago||
I think what I am saying is more that "easy" is too broad a vector to optimize along because it combines too much - both good and bad. I don't want a job without challenges of any kind.

But I definitely want a job without stress, danger, or physical strain on my body. Perhaps I am just looking for a similar word which doesn't imply anything about the complexity of the task at hand.

elwell 4 hours ago|||
Felt like covert advertisements.
jpfromlondon 4 hours ago||
what you choose for the dimensions is arbitrary, they only chosen thusly to prove the point.

I don't think I've ever seen an example of pareto that wasn't pseudo scientific drivel.

initramfs 4 hours ago||
I used to play Diddy Kong Racing for the Nintento 64 a lot and what I learned is that the smaller carts with fast acceleration were good for learning how to navigate around the course and for battle royal, but the heavier drivers like Banjo had the highest top speed, and I developed better steering capabilities to time each curve, eventually making it sometimes the only way to win the race.
SaltyBackendGuy 4 hours ago||
I love how the data from top players shows that they're using a build on the Pareto Front, i.e. that the wisdom of crowds settles on a meta that is optimum. I wonder if we analyzed other games, if the meta were all consistently on the Pareto Front (WoW, Diablo, w/e). Likely so.
valiant55 3 hours ago||
Probably but they could be arrived at via different means. In WoW for instance top players run simulated combat using third party tools to compare different gearing setup, often to determine if a new piece of gear is better than their current piece. This often isn't immediately obvious if the stats are completely different and "simming" is the easiest way to evaluate a piece of gear.
drdexebtjl 3 hours ago||
Competitive players (from Mario Kart in particular) are doing this type of data mining and analysis ever since the game releases, and sharing them in tightly knit communities.

The analysis comes before the meta settles, so of course it’s consistent :)

Aachen 2 hours ago||
(2024) according to https://www.mayerowitz.io/blog and https://github.com/SuperMayo/mayerowitz.io/tree/main/src/rou...
redbell 3 hours ago||
> You can identify all efficient drivers that, unlike Koopa, are never dominated on both speed and acceleration. Together, they form what is called the Pareto front (or frontier).

Coincidently, this Pareto Front concept is currently on the front page on HN at #10 (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49096439) and apparently, it was posted before this post.

hspeiser 4 hours ago||
Ive been played. Me and my brother used to play this all the time. He would always beat me and whenever I would win it would be a momentous occasion. Turns out his build was directly on the pareto frontier and mine was not even close. Damn you brother. Hes totally screwed next time we play
FailMore 6 hours ago||
If you liked the playing card interaction at the start (I did), I run a random side project where you (or your coding agent) can build similar 3d cards:

https://requirement5.com

build a card here: https://requirement5.com/create (and the CLI instructions are there too)

https://github.com/vilt9/requirement5

DarkCrusader2 6 hours ago|
I noticed DaisyUI also has a component for this just a couple of days back - https://daisyui.com/components/hover-3d/
FailMore 6 hours ago||
This is the OG: https://poke-holo.simey.me/ - inspired me as an old pokemon collector
yathern 6 hours ago|
Apologies for the self-promotion, but I learned about the Pareto Front from this site a while back - and applied it to Mini PCs with https://minipcs.zip which plots Mini PCs based on Compute vs Price (and other metrics) - highlighting the pareto front to find the optimal unit.
xp84 4 hours ago|
Thanks for posting this! It's an awesome tool. Makes me want to buy more tiny PCs. My only feedback is many of the ebay listings it points to are sold out, but I assume there's a limit to the freshness you can get. Still though, I found pretty good rates of success just pasting the important parts of the name of the sold-out listing into search.
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