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Posted by andros 1 day ago

I added a real-time chat to my blog, people used it to attack me(en.andros.dev)
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none_to_remain 1 day ago|
There seems to be one category of technological "attack", which failed - the script injections.

Otherwise:

OK: A guy insults the Tailwinds devs at length

Not OK: Anyone insults that guy briefly

Of course it is his own platform (blog) but that is on another platform (hosting) which could maybe decide they don't want their platform used to attack open source projects.

(I personally have no opinion on Tailwinds except a default negative valence regarding front-end)

tenderfault 1 day ago||
Look. It works. I just spent 5 minutes reading the messages posted on your glorious chat app. If I'd be you, i'd plant an ad just above it. Why are you complaining.
dabinat 1 day ago||
This sounds like the kind of feature that ends up being quick to initially implement but takes up way more engineering time to maintain than everything else combined. The author concedes at the end that most genuine uses of the feature are people just saying hello. So maybe the solution here is to disallow unrestricted input and just have a few buttons with fixed things to say.
brownieman1325 1 day ago|
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Deukhoofd 1 day ago||
I'll have to be honest here man, yeah no shit. I can't think of any good reason of why you would add something like this. A standard comment section is typically bad enough, and at least you're able to moderate that. An anonymous real-time chat embedded within your own blog? That's just asking for issues.
Larrikin 1 day ago||
Most people aren't awful in real life. Seems like a good idea to have a honey pot to just ban everyone in real time that tries to be an awful person on your own blog
jdw64 1 day ago||
My blog posts don't get any replies even when I post them on Hacker News, but everyone wants to communicate with others. I actually think anonymous chat isn't that bad. I think the problem is people who abuse the goodwill of writing. Once you step away from Medium and Substack, you start wondering how to even get comments on your own site.
maCDzP 1 day ago||
If the chat is saved as an example of how lot to talk. Can that be used for training an LLM on how to talk or what to remove from a chat?
thataccount 1 day ago||
The social web has become the adversarial web, unfortunately. You have to have a huge squelch knob if you want any meaningful signal now.
krapp 1 day ago|
Ages and ages ago I had a guestbook, forum and chatroom on my site just because I could, just because it was fun. I think only one other person ever used it, though. But the possibility of having a random interaction with someone was what made it interesting.

Now my comments feed is my curated Mastodon account, very much a filter for nonsense. I wouldn't even think of putting a chat up on my site, it would almost entirely be bots, and then trolls. There's literally no point in trying to interact with people online anymore without some kind of curation or moderation, every possible interaction has to be treated as hostile.

thataccount 1 day ago||
I tried Mastodon for awhile but found the fediverse was almost as bad as the centralized control verse. It sounds like it works for you, though.
krapp 1 day ago||
It helps that I have a small, single user hosted instance so I don't need to worry about admin drama. It also helps that I generally align with the culture politically but also avoid posting about politics (because I think doing so is mostly performative and not useful.)

But I think just about any layer of moderation will do. I'd be using Disqus except it's too "engagement" oriented and collects analytics I don't want or need.

thataccount 1 day ago||
Someday people will be able to disagree politically again without having to de-platform each other for doing so.
krapp 1 day ago||
On the one hand, sure, but on the other hand I'm not hosting a Nazi bar and there are some political conversations I'm simply not interested in having.

But I'm not even trying to filter for politics, really, so much as literal humanity and basic decency. Just that has become a hard problem. Dealing with trolls whose entire identity is performative politics is another.

thataccount 1 day ago||
I totally get that, but I also understand that the word "Nazi" has been redefined to mean something other than what it originally meant. This whole "redefinition" of language business has muddied the waters of trying to find literal humanity and basic decency. It is akin to redefining the word "hate" or "love". What you or I feel subjectively as hate or love in a given moment may be due to Vaseline on the lens of reality. If we start making decisions for everyone on that basis, well, all we are doing is getting confirmation of the reality we are projecting.
krapp 1 day ago||
"What even is a Nazi" is a perfect example of a conversation I'm not interested in, because at the end of the day it's just an endless semantic treadmill.

My definition is what matters to me. If you're a white supremacist, white separatist, antisemite, transphobic or homophobic, if you support fascist ideals and violence as a means to political ends, If you think Hitler did nothing wrong, if you think immigration and multiculturalism are objectively harmful to "civilization," that Islam is a "religion of evil" or that the "degenerates" needs to be put against the wall, then I'm going to call you a Nazi and I don't want to hear what you have to say about anything. No I'm not interested in litigating those terms either.

And yes, some of these can be laid at the feet of the left as well as the right. I don't fuck with tankies and BRICS-pilled socialists either.

Not every platform has to be a culture war battleground.

thataccount 19 hours ago||
>because at the end of the day it's just an endless semantic treadmill.

Not quite. Historically there is a very, very specific definition.

>My definition is what matters to me.

And there is the problem and why people cannot simply disagree anymore. It is "my platform" that matters to me, "my worldview only" that matters to me, "my money" that matters to me. That's all well and good, but there are also other people in the world and their definitions are gonna matter just as much to them as yours does to you (or money) (or platform). As to the rest of what you are saying here, I have some strong opinions on the subjects you raise, but now is neither the place nor time to indulge those. I will say that a person ought to go live among the people they feel the most sympathy for for awhile to make sure their ideals are true to reality. Most people don't do that.

axus 1 day ago||
Next we're going to hear a complaint from Mark Zuckerberg about how people are using Facebook and LLaMa to attack Meta.
tennisflyi 1 day ago||
Never used the actual internet, eh?
Funes- 1 day ago||
Wait. Is it not against the HN guidelines to regularly submit links to your own sites? Isn't that considered self-promotion and, thus, against the rules? I've got nothing against the author, personally, as I'd do the same, but seeing his submission page, I'd like to know how normal getting in trouble is for this practice or if the guidelines are enforced at all in this sense.
dijksterhuis 1 day ago|
emailing hn@ycombinator.com is possibly a better way to raise a question about moderation like this fyi. mods may not see this comment but they probably will see a direct email.

theyre probably the only ones who can answer your question / nudge you in a direction of understanding appropriately.

Funes- 1 day ago||
No, I don't think it is. I didn't want to reach the mods necessarily. I wanted to check what the picture was regarding the general opinion on this kind of practices, hopefully with personal experiences from regular users rather than, potentially, getting some kind of formal statement that is further from what the actual moderation activity is like, either coming from moderators themselves or from users flagging or downvoting content.
alansaber 1 day ago|
SLM language filters might actually be a good application of AI? As well as very sparing regex for bad words.
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