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Posted by ughitsaaron 2 hours ago

Unions Can Save Tech Workers and Tech Work(jacobin.com)
58 points | 61 commentspage 2
lazzlazzlazz 1 hour ago|
This is the absolute last thing that tech needs. What a blow it would be, a nightmare.
Devasta 1 hour ago||
Unionization of the industry is long long overdue, if for no other reason than professional ethics.

A small town lawyer can fuck up paperwork badly enough that they lose their ability to practice law. A software engineer can fry the brains of hundreds of thousands of people and it's all ok so long as they managed to get a few of them to click ads.

It should have the same requirements for personal liability like other professions do.

pessimizer 1 hour ago||
* [...]Could Have Saved[...]

Cannot Now Save. Unions get power when labor is at its strongest, not when labor is at its weakest. When tech labor was at its strongest, it became super-libertarian, started discussing sous vide and $300 shirts, became YIMBYs, and told the flyover states to learn to code while creating the gig economy. FAANG colluded to fix salaries in the valley for years, and they just sighed and paid their $3000 rent to live with 3 roommates.

I'd add shouldn't be saved. There were far too many programmers before AI, and everything was getting worse. They were mostly vastly overpaid, except for the extremely productive ones who contributed to society the most, who were vastly underpaid or worked on a volunteer basis. Their salaries were a function of ZIRP and quantitative easing, and their acquisition (and now their layoffs) were to juice the stock prices that were the engine of the entire thing.

Learn to dig ditches. If we used less immigrant slaves, ditch diggers might be able to start a union.

The reason AI is failing is because it's replacing programmers that were totally superfluous and bringing in zero marginal revenue. Laying off your programmers and not replacing them with AI is going to be the new black.

edit: I got a lifetime subscription to Jacobin when it started (because I thought we needed a glossy lefty magazine) but I really hate it and keep accepting issues out of pure spite because I know it costs them money. I don't know what makes them think they can talk about economic issues yet avoid any math or actual discussion of economics. The suburban child of immigrants upper-middle class Liberal Arts majors on the left are its albatross. Please stop saying Gramsci.

anon291 1 hour ago||
For some tech workers maybe but the issue is that for much of vc backed tech work, Marxist analysis a la Jacobin et Al do not work. Marxists delineate the working class from the owning class but in my experience in these vc backed startups and large public companies that come out of them, the working class quickly becomes part of the owning class.

The union would only serve to make sure that transition never took place.

No thanks, I'll take my seven figure options please.

harimau777 1 hour ago|
You might want to read some more Marxist analysis. TLDR: Eventually the real owning class decides they no longer need to pretend that the professional class is one of them.
redsocksfan45 1 hour ago||
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schlap 1 hour ago||
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notyourwork 1 hour ago|
This is not a useful comment, please provide substance that contributes to a fruitful conversation.
jjtheblunt 1 hour ago|
The article ends with...

CONTRIBUTORS

Dan Russell is president and chief negotiator of the University Professional and Technical Employees–Communications Workers of America Local 9119.

Max Belasco is a University of California, Los Angeles School of Law business systems analyst 3 and chapter cochair of University Professional and Technical Employees Los Angeles chapter.

Aaron Petcoff is a socialist activist who lives in Brooklyn.

altcognito 1 hour ago||
I'm pretty sure that everyone is aware that an article from jacobin has these biases. Perhaps it is notable because you're so frequently exposed only to billionare and corporate biases.
glitchc 1 hour ago|||
Nothing wrong with stating the sources up front. They are clearly pro-labour and pro-union. It helps to know where the authors stand. Would you rather the authors were buried under seven layers of shell companies?
kbelder 1 hour ago|||
Well, it's jacobin.com.
gdulli 1 hour ago|||
Enough of this passive aggressive quoting. If you have something to say, man up and say it.
notyourwork 1 hour ago||
What’s your point? Regurgitating the article isn’t useful nor why I come to the comment section.