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Posted by samaaron 4 days ago

Sonic Pi v5(www.patreon.com)
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juliend2 18 hours ago|
Is there any (somewhat) known artist who uses Sonic Pi in their actual work?
luqtas 18 hours ago|
https://m.youtube.com/@dj_dave____

she started with Sonic Pi back in ~ 2020 but i guess she uses other stuff by now

skrebbel 17 hours ago|||
Yeah those recent videos are all Strudel. Pretty amazing stuff btw.
hoherd 17 hours ago|||
Her opening set for Github Universe 2020 that used Sonic Pi is still so great. https://youtu.be/LaKT3pli5EQ
gizajob 18 hours ago||
why is the Amen Brother breakbeat included in this software as if it's open source and GPL / MIT license? Just because something has been stolen a million times, that doesn't make it public domain, it's still under copyright and owned by its publisher, who I'm pretty certain has never given it away under a free license.
kyle-rb 16 hours ago||
It's worth noting that the particular recording they include[0] is not the original performance, it's a CC0 (public domain) recreation of the sample.

So the recording itself has no copyright attached, but yes, there's still a question of the copyright on the composition.

[0] https://freesound.org/people/Dolfeus/sounds/43389/

gizajob 10 hours ago||
You might be correct but the link you've pasted is still of the original copyrighted breakbeat, not a recreation, on a site again falling victim to what it offers for free and Creative Commons not being free or Creative Commons.
noman-land 18 hours ago||
I'd be really curious for this particular sample to go to court because unless The Winstons have been aggressively enforcing this copyright they may have already lost it to the public domain.
amiga386 16 hours ago|||
That's not how copyright works. There is no "use it or lose it". You legally retain control of licensing for copying and distribution, including derivative works (samples) for the full copyright duration.

In this case, it's a music recording published in the USA between 1957 and 1972, so the copyright expires on 15 February 2067: https://library.mi.edu/musiccopyright/duration

There's a limit of 3 years for you to bring a copyright infringement case after a specific infringement takes place, but that doesn't stop you from bringing further cases against further infringements. You don't "lose" copyright if you fail to self-police it, as you might lose a trademark.

It gets very complicated around this specific 1969 sound recording and suing for copyright infringement, because prior to 1972, sound recordings were subject to US state law (presumably Georgia as the Holly Bee Music Co. was incorporated in Atlanta?) rather than federal law.

Ultimately, no samplers paid The Winstons any royalties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amen_break#Royalties

The drummer, Gregory Coleman, died homeless and penniless. Some UK DJs raised money for the bandleader, Richard Lewis Spencer, in 2015. He died in 2020. So there's probably not going to be anyone suing you for infringing the copyright on Amen, Brother, but it's not not infringement.

aduty 18 hours ago||||
Pretty sure that aggressive defense is required for trademarks and not copyright. However it may be interesting whether or not it's still protected by copyright.
gizajob 18 hours ago|||
It would need to be defended in court yeah, but the absence of that defence doesn't automatically make it so it falls under the GPL and can be included in MIT licensed code just because the copyright holder doesn't know about it to defend it or refuse to be part of your software. Maybe you can argue the technicality but certainly not in the spirit of open source. There would be hundreds of other breakbeats you could include and give away under your MIT license if that were the case.
uwagar 6 hours ago||
ud expect an open source / free software project to have some dignity and not link direct to patreon. times are changing.
aimxhaisse 4 hours ago|
Disclaimer: I use to donate to this project when I can.

This project has been around for 10+ years and the author dedicated a big part of his life for it, and could not have done so without Patreon support, and to my understanding went through rough times while could easily have gone through a more classic career and make money.

I don't see a lot of projects around that are as interesting as it (I recommend watching old TEDs from Sam on the topic of live-coding for the why), and a commercial approach would have killed it in the first place.

So I'm more on opposite side: the level of dignity required to keep putting energy for 10+ years on a software you believe in, makes it an example to me. If Patreon is the condition for more whytheluckystiff_'s style projects, instead of the ambient slope we see around these days, I'm all for it!

vachina 10 hours ago|
Is it just me or does the “Pi” branding give the connotation of “underpowered, expensive and hobbyist quality”?

Suggest you drop the Pi name in your next project.