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Posted by RickJWagner 21 hours ago

What happens if an entire class of workers loses faith in their careers(www.noemamag.com)
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seydor 20 hours ago|
Having just installed the world's most popular software (MS windows), i think they should be.
dec0dedab0de 20 hours ago||
Surely android and ios surpass windows in usage. Though I would argue that none of them are popular.
alansaber 20 hours ago|||
Fair enough.
sri9s 20 hours ago||
good one
mjcohen 14 hours ago||
So glad I am retired.
dgabriel 20 hours ago||
I'm not sad. As an engineer with decades of experience under my belt, I'm really excited about how AI can democratize software and help me finally complete long-simmering side projects, create value for the greater good, and be a generally fun thing. So far, I have not found myself even remotely replaced by AI at work.
echelon 20 hours ago|
I have never been happier.

I flipping love AI.

This is literally what I dreamed about as a kid. I feel like we might get to witness the singularity, and that's exciting.

To live and die under cellphone incrementalism is what's depressing. I hated where we were. I love where we're going.

celsoazevedo 16 hours ago||
You seem to ignore all negative aspects of AI, so it's not a surprise that you're happy and excited. It's the other side of the coin of "AI is bad and brings no benefits", usually the result of ignoring any positives.

I've used AI/LLMs to create tools for myself, which otherwise would have not been created. That's good. But I also know people that are terrible at detecting AI content... it's only a matter of time until a couple of fake videos trigger a mob and something bad happens.

I think that's where some of the negativity comes from. Yes, AI can do nice things, but it's not all good.

jimt1234 5 hours ago||
For me it's not just AI. The industry just doesn't feel the same anymore. Maybe I'm just an old curmudgeon - I've been in this industry since the 80s, but things really seemed to change, or I finally noticed it, around 2010 or so. It seemed like everything we were building wasn't to help people, it was to extract data from people and generally just harass people into buying shit.

We transformed society through email, the web, mobile, and so on. But now we're recording everything your car does and delivering ads on refrigerators. It just doesn't feel the same anymore.

jgbuddy 20 hours ago||
I'm pretty happy I think
knicholes 20 hours ago|
How long have you been working in tech?
jgbuddy 17 hours ago||
2 years, maybe that's the problem
rvz 20 hours ago||
Because the free ride and the day-care rest and vest ZIRP tech life style is over.

In 2012 - 2023, this lifestyle used to be at Google, and Facebook and everyone outside wanted to join.

In 2023 - present The day care lifestyle is at NVIDIA, OpenAI and Anthropic and everyone outside wants to join (they are too late) after getting laid off.

It's that simple. There will be a new day care somewhere but it if you are looking for a safe and stable job, it does not exist.

8by3 20 hours ago||
It doesn't have to be _that_ extreme,

Many of us just wanted vaguely what the promise of a good job was supposed to offer. A decent wage, the ability to afford a home one day, support our families etc.

Maybe not everyone but up until about 2022 I had great job security and loved my work. I knew I was extremely lucky. I didn't have a crazy silicon valley salary but I was doing pretty well on any kind of global scale.

Job security went quickly out the window, with it came a sense of insecurity and the dread that most other working people live under. So I'd argue we aren't more sad than most people, just lost the warm bubble of being paid well to sit in a comfy chair and daily get the reward of solving interesting problems.

pixl97 19 hours ago||
>what the promise of a good job was supposed to offe

So did the people at car factories, at steel mills, at any number of places that no longer have that either.

Your last sentence is correct, we're just coming down to the reality that everyone else is suffering. But hey, tech unions are socialism, we'll pull ourselves up by our bootstraps at any moment now.

ungovernableCat 11 hours ago||
Working culture at OpenAI and Anthropic is quite brutal. But hey, a lot of their employees are on 7+ figure compensations (when counting their paper worth) so it's certainly a motivating factor to work long hours.
matheusmoreira 19 hours ago||
Because society sucks so people enable Daniel Plainview mode.
matrix87 6 hours ago|
Personally I'm pretty excited for the future.

I feel like LLMs make reading papers way easier than what it is before. If I ever run into a roadblock, I can just keep digging and probing until it makes sense to me. If anything, the amount of work that needs to be done has been amplified because it makes learning new things that much easier.

The business culture at F50 companies is several decades behind tech. The business culture in middle america is even further behind. If these people can remain employed, I'm not sure why anyone in SV is worried. The nature of white collar work is that it changes over time and frankly I think getting attached to one job title is nonsensical.

Also, half of the battle with white collar work is information asymmetry. The effectiveness of the models with real systems in the field is limited by the amount of context that people are willing to provide. This problem existed before AI, if teams document literally everything, management could see this as an outsourcing opportunity. If management forces them to document stuff, why would they do a good job? Also, why the hell would management even try to do this in the first place if it by implication eliminates their job as well?

There's a social problem here: how do you get people to give high quality information if there is no incentive? How do you know that they're not telling you things or intentionally explaining something badly (as opposed to the AI just being "bad" at something)? Especially now that the billionaire class has done enough saber rattling over it and gotten everyone thoroughly freaked out for the next decade at least? (This is also a problem in high churn corporate cultures as well, the fear fucks up the signal to noise ratio)

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