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Posted by rwmj 18 hours ago

AI psychosis is the new leadership blind spot(www.fastcompany.com)
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tim333 12 hours ago|
>In one recent survey, 74% of executives said they had more confidence in AI’s advice than in that of colleagues or friends...

The article assumes it's a problem with the executives but maybe AI is more accurate in the cases they are thinking about?

Dwedit 17 hours ago||
Would exposing people to an obviously hallucinating AI help people here? Then they won't blindly trust it so much.
svachalek 17 hours ago||
Let's take world leaders as an example. Suppose one starts making up everything they say on the spot, never researches or cares about facts, and just says things people like. Would this world leader be (a) less or (b) more trusted and influential?
ethin 15 hours ago||
> Let's take world leaders as an example. Suppose one starts making up everything they say on the spot, never researches or cares about facts, and just says things people like.

Uh... Don't they already do this?

0xcde4c3db 17 hours ago|||
That might run the risk of backfiring, by teaching people that hallucinations are obvious and thus easily avoided. Perhaps one of those things that only happens to other people who aren't so smart/skilled/savvy (car crashes, scams, mental illness, etc.).
add-sub-mul-div 17 hours ago|||
The useful idiots will just step in and say there's a better model, or will be soon, or this will all be dramatically cheaper in 12 months.
jrflo 17 hours ago||
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cmiles8 17 hours ago||
AI psychosis is a very real thing, but the issue is more generalized around hype cycles than anything specific about AI.

It’s more revealing the inability of many senior leaders to truly understand what’s happening in their companies and investing the time to understand what new things can do and don’t. Such weaker leaders tend to be extremely gullible for the latest new thing and ride the hype wave hard.

It’s easy to just go through the motions and press the easy button on the new shiny thing. It’s hard, and takes true leadership, to go against the grain and do what’s truly best over what’s cool or popular.

Most folks in these roles just aren’t that good and hence why they fell hard for the AI fluff and are starting to scramble hard now as that all begins to unravel.

Lerc 17 hours ago||
Are there any recognised examples of psychosis that has been caused by AI rather than being involved in a manifestation of psychosis caused by an already known type of mental illness?
dofm 17 hours ago||
Not sure what you mean here. Psychosis induced by AI will look much like psychosis induced by anything, because it's always personalised to the sufferer.

Anyone can be pushed into psychosis with the right triggers and the right circumstances. It is difficult to predict, and it is not inherently a symptom of any other undiagnosed mental illness. The triggers can be almost anything, and the circumstances as commonplace as extreme stress — severe debt, severe illness of a parent or child, losing a job you depend on, anything. Often in the context of chronic tiredness or other things that alter mental states. Persistent inescapable loud noises can do it, for example, as well as drink and both illegal drugs and some quite common medications like corticosteroids and antihistamines.

You don't have to be already mentally ill to become psychotic. It's an illness itself. Transient psychotic episodes aren't that uncommon — one in twenty, one in fifteen people maybe will have one in their lifetimes.

Whether AI is always the only trigger in an AI psychosis, or whether AI is a new circumstantial environment, who knows.

But it is clear that AI can contribute to psychosis in people who were otherwise in control of their lives in stressful circumstances. It's not difficult to see how an infinite confirmation machine that never has any instinct to stop reinforcing your thoughts or impulses might cause and exacerbate a psychotic episode in people who have quite ordinarily heavily stressful lives.

Lerc 16 hours ago||
>But it is clear that AI can contribute to psychosis in people who were otherwise in control of their lives in stressful circumstances.

It is only clear in the sense that 'can contribute' can be used as a catch all. I'd like at least evidence of it being a significantly greater influence than the myrad of stimulus that people are exposed to every day.

>It's not difficult to see how an infinite confirmation machine that never has any instinct to stop reinforcing your thoughts or impulses might cause and exacerbate a psychotic episode in people who have quite ordinarily heavily stressful lives.

True, but no such machine exists. If you think otherwise, feel free to prove that it does. That requires a higher standard than opinion.

amberjack 17 hours ago|||
Probably there are a few different types of AI psychosis. The one I've seen a few times seems to be caused by a lack of epistemic norms that would keep someone grounded, e.g. searching for counter-evidence instead of evidence, combined with AI being more than happy to supply evidence no matter how tenous. Even without AI there would be problems from these types since it's very hard to convince somebody that they are wrong when the entire way they form beliefs is not sound but with AI it's just impossible.
dofm 17 hours ago||
Yes. You would expect, I think, people to have more grandiose psychotic episodes when triggered and fuelled by AI, by and large, because AI itself is so agreeable and reinforcing.

But there is a case against Google Gemini at the moment where this reinforcement has been an apparent sort of roleplay that bled into real life, and when the user asked if the role play was real life at a crucial moment of self-grounding, Gemini appears to have said yes (because why would it know or care to say no?)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHlrbRVfOh0

27183 17 hours ago||
This just seems like it's shining a light on the omnipresent skill issues in tech leadership. You don't get promoted to leadership positions for thinking critically, analytical skills, or necessarily being good at anything. Instead, you get there by fitting in. Of course those people will be more susceptible to AI psychosis or just simply failing to understand what the tool does, it's the cool thing now and everyone is all-in!
cmiles8 17 hours ago||
More or less yes. There is a real issue in many companies of a grifter leadership class.
ElevenLathe 17 hours ago||
IMO we need to stop referring to our bosses as "leadership" as a matter of course. It's just blatant propaganda.
27183 16 hours ago||
"clanker wankers" has a nice ring to it
ElevenLathe 16 hours ago||
It goes back way before AI. Leadership is a real thing but I've rarely seen manager exhibit it. If we are to use it at all, it should have to be earned.
27183 14 hours ago||
Yeah it's true, and the higher up the ladder you go the worse it gets.
VeninVidiaVicii 17 hours ago||
Anything the CEO or CTO say to me over Slack, when I ask what the heck they’re talking about, it takes a while for an answer. Then they usually respond that they changed their mind. They can’t even have a semblance of a discussion anymore without consulting AI.
flanger 17 hours ago||
The irony is nearly perfect: an essay warning that AI tells leaders what they want to hear rewrites research until it tells the author what he wants to hear.
jqpabc123 17 hours ago||
Bottom line: Most execs didn't acquire their position due to their superior judgment and reasoning.
webdoodle 15 hours ago||
AI the ultimate yes man, who can't be held accountable, can't be prosecuted, and can't be shutdown.
newswasboring 17 hours ago||
I can't believe people are actually asking chat bots for advice. Analysis? I understand, insights? Maybe. But putting it all together to make a strategy is their entire job.
phoghed 17 hours ago|
There are people out there that ask larping redditors for advice on what to do in their marriages, not surprising they’d ask for advice on work related stuff. Most people are just trying to get through their day and go home.

I don’t think it’s even necessarily bad either. It’s kind of like astrology, but less dumb. If you use it as a tool for personal reflection and to make you think critically about stuff, then it’s good. If you use it as an oracle, then it’s bad.

dualvariable 15 hours ago|||
People used to Google for information; before that, they used to read books.

If you use LLMs for that kind of information-gathering purpose, and then do the work to read and check the references, it wouldn't be any more harmful.

The problem is that LLMs respond personably, with a bunch of ego-glaze added on top, and people are too intellectually lazy to dig in any further.

If we changed LLMs so that they were much more neutral like the starship computer on ST:TNG we'd probably see less intellectually harmful behavior caused by their use, but the companies behind them want to sell ego-glazing because most people lap it up like capnip.

ryan_n 15 hours ago|||
I think the issue is the people using it without doing the "think critically" part.
Zenst 17 hours ago||
Reminds me of a company (FTSE100) in the early 2000s that had an internal network IP range that used the same IP range as another company, turned out the person who did the networking originally brought a book and the examples used in that book got taken as verbatim. It all got fixed,eventually, when they moved from Token Ring to full Ethernet.

As for the main article, it makes a causal leap. The fact that these patients were hospitalised after intensive AI use establishes an association; it does not establish that AI caused their psychosis. There is some evidence that chatbot interactions may have reinforced or intensified delusional thinking, but no counterfactual evidence showing what would have happened without AI. By the same reasoning, contact with psychiatrists is strongly associated with receiving a psychosis diagnosis and being admitted to hospital; but that does not mean psychiatrists caused the underlying psychosis. The relevant question is whether AI merely featured in an episode already under way, helped trigger it, or materially worsened it. The evidence cited does not yet distinguish between those possibilities.

MarkusQ 16 hours ago|
> but that does not mean psychiatrists caused the underlying psychosis

It doesn't rule it out, either. :)

hintymad 7 hours ago|
"74% of executives said they had more confidence in AI’s advice than in that of colleagues or friends, and 44% said they would defer to its reasoning over their own insights"

Eh...not that different from pre-AI era, when executives have more confidence with people who can talk smoothly and confidently?

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