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Posted by tosh 12 hours ago

DeepSeek V4 Flash 0731(arcprize.org)
542 points | 322 commentspage 4
tarruda 7 hours ago|
One of the best things about this version is that it is trained in the codex harness. It feels just as good as OpenAI models in using codex tools, but extremely cheap and with 1M context
djc404 7 hours ago|
Do you have any sense how using it with codex compares to OpenCode?

It’s always a bit tricky picking the right harness (when you have options). Sometimes the differences are subtle but meaningful. But who has the time to run everything twice and compare all the time!

tarruda 5 hours ago||
I don't have experience with opencode, so I couldn't tell you.

Codex is really good in my experience, especially due to its native sandboxing. Deepseek seems really well versed in its tools, including update_plan and knowing when to request sandbox escalation.

w2seraph 8 hours ago||
There's no reason that LLMs should cost beyond grave digging sums when this one topples the charts it'll be over.
h4fizwasabie 2 hours ago||
ive been enjoying this deepseek v4 flash 0731. i think its a great model, it helped me with finishing all of my abandoned projects.
tosh 12 hours ago||
results comparable to gpt 5.6 luna but cheaper

promising!

minimaxir 12 hours ago||
Since the x-axis is log-scaled, DeepSeek is much cheaper than visually implied (mousing over the raw values, it's 1/4th the cost of Luna).
literallyroy 12 hours ago||
Is this pricing from Deepseek with training on usage?
minimaxir 12 hours ago||
Per the announcement tweet, BaseTen was the inference provider which has 20% cache cost that is typical: https://www.baseten.co/library/deepseek-v4-flash-0731/
literallyroy 11 hours ago||
Ah thanks. That looks like 10x cost on cache reads vs Deepseek as the provider: https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-flash-0731#provid...
LUmBULtERA 12 hours ago|||
Is it still cheaper than Luna if using an OpenAI subscription? My gut is no, but I have not done the math.
swiftcoder 11 hours ago|||
You'd have to compare against something like the OpenCode Go subscription, and I'm fairly sure deepseek napkins out cheaper in that scenario
LUmBULtERA 11 hours ago||
I'm still not sure, there's a promo going on now, but generally Go gives $60 of API credit and right now it might be $120 with deepseek. But $20/month OpenAI subscription I believe gives you many hundreds of API-equivalent usage? I've heard $100/month giving many thousands API-equivalent per month.
minimaxir 12 hours ago|||
Everything is cheaper if using a subscription, but some applications require API usage.
jrflo 11 hours ago||
Might not actually be that much cheaper, we don't know what margin OpenAI is charging on Luna API. Open models likely have much less margin.
harisamin 10 hours ago||
I'm curious... is anyone using DeepSeek V4 Flash from HugginFace? Is the cost around the same as directly form DeepSeek or from Openrouter?
evanjrowley 10 hours ago||
The benchmark performance tells me DeepSeek v4 Flash could be very cost-effective at playing SNES/Gameboy games.
andai 10 hours ago|
It won't be long before I can just stay home, and have my robot ride my bike for me.
qup 3 hours ago||
I'm going to send mine to visit my mom. It's so hot in August.
luyu_wu 12 hours ago||
It is wild that this a log scale of cost to me!
simonw 11 hours ago|
That's a pretty great score for a model you can run on as (expensive) laptop.
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