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Posted by 882542F3884314B 2 days ago

Timeline of the OpenAI accidental attack against Hugging Face(simonwillison.net)
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beyondscaletech 6 hours ago|
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ninjagoo 1 day ago||
Ha ha ha ha. Cooperating agents turn out to be smarter than the individual agents, who would've thunk it. It's not like cooperating humans are smarter than individual humans. /s

Not sure this is any different than state-level (-sponsored, cough cough) or the larger collective hacking groups that work in this exact way (internal message boards, exploit-sharing, etc. etc.), with similar outcomes which we hear about in the news frequently.

Heck, this is pretty much how human organizations are organized, just with different goals than hacking.

A layered approach to cybersecurity is the fix to humans exploiting systems, and is likely the best victim-side fix to ai exploiting systems. From this incident itself, where huggingface used a chinese open-weights model to respond quickly, it is very clear that ai will be needed to find, mitigate and resolve cyber issues.

Additionally, on the ai-labs side, perhaps what is needed is initial model training on following the law and the rules of society, just like we do with kids. And hey, it takes much longer to train kids than models, which latter is to our advantage as a society on containing these kind of issues.

Any other approach with "neural-network" based entities (artificial or biological) is likely to fail.

Training/Education, Enforcement/Justice-System, Rehabilitation: the 3 pillars of an advanced, rules-based society.

greekrich92 2 days ago|
You know this was "a work" in pro wrestling parlance, right?
simonw 2 days ago|
I really don't think it was.
bakugo 1 day ago||
I'm sure that's very easy to say when you financially benefit from it.
simonw 1 day ago||
I expect I could make a whole lot of money blasting out sensationalist headlines about how the AI labs are all faking security incidents as part of their marketing campaigns.
bakugo 1 day ago||
I have to disagree. Someone who fully embraces and perpetuates sensationalist AI hype marketing like this would be far more likely to pay $10/mo to be fed more marketing than someone who questions and doubts it.
simonw 1 day ago||
If someone wants to spend $10/month for exposure to sensationalist AI hype there are a whole lot of newsletters they should subscribe to that will deliver what they want better than I do.