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Posted by shaunpud 5 hours ago

A domain can now say it is for sale, in DNS(specification.website)
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Tiberium 4 hours ago|
(Not quoting the article directly due to HN's auto AI filters)

In "Common mistakes" this article first says not to add this record if you're not actually planning to sell the domain, then says that the record doesn't oblige anyone to do anything, that feels quite weird to me.

zinekeller 4 hours ago||
This probably means that meeting the minimum price does not guarantee that you would be able to buy it due to other (probably opaque) criteria. For example, the seller might not want to sell to you/your company in particular, but is open to other people/companies.
reaperducer 2 hours ago||
Sounds good to me.

I have a particularly valuable domain name that would be perfect for a museum that later opened with the same name.

I'd love to sell or even give it to the museum, but all my offers have been ignored. I don't blame them, since everything on the Internet is a scam these days.

But I won't just put it for sale to the highest bidder. Then it'll end up with a squatter. I'd rather sit on it.

sokoloff 4 hours ago|||
I can have something for sale without an obligation to sell it (depending on offer terms, including price).
TZubiri 4 hours ago||
Interesting, a binding bid might be more useful than this proposed no-op slop.

TLDs like .online actually have a registrar-based dynamic pricing system based on internal rules, like domain size, presence in word lists, plurality, etc... And their distribution of available to taken names is quite good. It's different, which is already good, no one needs yet another TLD with the uncreative allocation system of copying the .com, we need variety, and I feel a binding DNS based offer system might make for a aftermarket-based continuation of the successful .online experiment.

But if the offer is not binding, then it's just an advertisement, no consideration, no contract, unlikely to amount to anything materially different than a 'domain for sale' HTML pages. In fact, if the HTML page has a buy now button, it's effectively an offer that can be accepted just by clicking the buttons and inputting cc info, so it's even better than a non binding DNS record.

Also, let's stop using TXT for everyone, why is everyone such a pussy about actually using record types? Do we really need every tool to be compliant out of the box? What's wrong with forcing vendors that want to be compliant to actually write like 20 lines of code and formally implementing support for the feature?

sokoloff 4 hours ago||
> why is everyone such a p**** about

We can do a lot better than using non-inclusive language like this. There are better ways to express the underlying concept.

TZubiri 1 hour ago||
I can't seem to be able to edit out the swipe.

- such a pussy about actually using record types

+ not bold enough to use actual record types

And I know it's not the core of the issue, but I meant "using TXT records for everything" not "for everyone".

gguncth 2 hours ago||
They should keep this up for a year and then seize all of these squatted domains and auction them off.
bigbuppo 14 minutes ago|
Define "squatted domain"
Bender 3 hours ago||
From the RFC The "_for-sale" leaf node name can be placed at any level of the DNS, except in the .arpa infrastructure TLD.

There used to be a number of sites that would let users create {username}.some.subdomain.apex.tld. Perhaps this is not a thing any more I honestly don't know. If it is still a thing and someone registers the username "_for-sale" they could cause some confusion.

Why allow any level of DNS? If you are selling a domain that should include the entire domain and thus the _for-sale should only be valid at the apex unless the goal is to cause legal problems for some big providers.

wbl 3 hours ago||
Initial underscore is a reserved namespace for this reason.
Bender 3 hours ago||
Is that universally true on all sites that allow a user to create a sub-domain?
chrismorgan 1 hour ago|||
It certainly should be. Filtering user-registrable names that will end up in host names or URL paths is table stakes. You want to block names like www, admin, root, robots.txt, .well-known, _*, and so forth.
tredre3 1 hour ago|||
DNS allows any character you want, including underscores. Host names in URLs cannot contain underscores. Therefore any service that create subdomains for user would reject underscores, which is why they're considered de-facto reserved for special uses in DNS. I don't think the reserved nature is codified in any RFC.
Bender 1 hour ago||
Testing [1] Works in Firefox, Helium and Curl but I do not have Chrome or Safari to test with.

[1] - https://_test.nochan.net/

chrismorgan 1 hour ago||
This only works because it’s a wildcard certificate. Since 2019, TLS certificates must not be issued for names containing underscores <https://cabforum.org/2018/11/12/ballot-sc012-sunset-of-under...>.
Bender 1 hour ago||
Interesting, however that goes back to my original question about platforms allowing users to create a sub-domain, as they almost always use a wildcard certificate for this purpose. [1]

I suppose the saving grace is that they can only create the _for-sale and not any of the attributes specific to the intent to sell and hopefully that is enough to prevent any shenanigans.

[1] - https://youstareintoconanssoul.ytmnd.com/

pimlottc 3 hours ago||
Country code TLDs would be one reason. Many countries reserve top-level domains names and only sell second-level domains (e.g. example.co.uk)
xhkkffbf 2 hours ago||
But what about the costs? There are several domains I want. They're just sitting there and no one is doing anything with them. But when I ask to buy them, they ask for outrageous prices (at least in my opinion.) If someone else bought the domain, I would think, "I'm just being outbid." But they never change hands. I've tried telling the owners that I'm their only hope. They just sit there because they have some insane idea for how much it is worth.
thelastgallon 4 hours ago||
This is probably the only item that can sold without saying, "Used, Like New"
icedchai 3 hours ago|
It depends how much spam or other abuse occurred from it.
riddlemethat 4 hours ago||
Wonderful. Another tool for domain campers. Just what standards bodies should be spending time on…
spicybright 4 hours ago||
I don't get the point, if someone is selling a domain the only content on the site will be advertising that. And you can bet people will forget to delete or not update the record as needed, making it kind of useless.
rhplus 4 hours ago||
A parked domain would potentially make more money hosting AI generated “content” to improve its SEO and passive ad revenue. That’s why invested interests have pushed for this side-channel “For sale” sign.
dietr1ch 4 hours ago||
This is what really sucks about domain names
thrawa8387336 1 hour ago||
Nobody asked for this
mentos 4 hours ago||
“This domain is somewhat worn.” -UO joke
gronodev 3 hours ago|
Sigh, I'm not a fan of domains becoming the new kind of real estate.

Wonder how hard will it be in 20 years to get a good, unused name in a reasonable price.

germinalphrase 2 hours ago||
Have you tried getting a good, unused name today? Anything remotely close to a dictionary word, if unused, is squatted with a $xx,000 price tag. Do registrars get a cut of these sales prices because it seems ridiculous to allow squatting.
tredre3 1 hour ago|||
Many registrars operate as brokers for domain sales indeed (i.e. godaddy, namecheap). Then you have tlds operators with their "premium" domains that go for 1000x the regular price. Premium usually being defined as the top 10k english words and every kind of l33t spelling of sexual words.

Neither registrars nor tld operators care about squatting, even when they don't get a cut. Why would they? The squatter is paying them the same as you'd pay them.

axus 1 hour ago||||
Registrars get a lot more domains registered at 5-20 $/year this way. How would our lives improve if squatting were "not allowed"?
germinalphrase 1 hour ago||
For anyone trying start a small business, it’s frustrating to go through dozens to hundreds of potential company names before you can find a reasonable URL that isn’t being squatted for 4-5 figures.

What positive outcome comes from squatters sitting on unused domains?

gronodev 1 hour ago|||
Well, at least there's still some room for that with some of the new TLDs.

But at some point we will also exhaust all nice TLDs too...

It will be even more difficult than it is now

reaperducer 2 hours ago||
I'm not a fan of domains becoming the new kind of real estate.

Welcome to 2003.

gronodev 1 hour ago||
hah, fair point..
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