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Posted by groomlake 18 hours ago

Fastmail offers EU data region(www.fastmail.com)
417 points | 213 commentspage 4
KingOfCoders 16 hours ago|
We offer EU data centers for customers that want their emails to stay in the EU but

"Resilient replicas of your data will live in the US"

?

crossroadsguy 16 hours ago|
The US data replicas will be resilient, and when the FBI asks your data to reveal things about itself, your data will refuse to reveal anything about itself in the characteristic resilient manner. That's why the mention of "resilient".
KingOfCoders 16 hours ago||
How is that possible if the OS/drive/vault is backdoored? Could you elaborate?

I think "resilient" just means "backup copy" and I do think (IANAL) it is illegal to destroy emails when asked for them in the US.

Or was your comment ironic? Sorry, German, irony impaired.

Night_Thastus 14 hours ago||
They're being sarcastic.
sparkling 15 hours ago||
To me, jurisdiction matters more than physical location. I'd rather be with a EU-operated service that stores data on a non-EU server, than a non-EU operator with a German/french datacenter.
varispeed 16 hours ago||
Data is still compellable through US Cloud Act (and other provisions). If you want true EU data region, you should buy from a company without presence in the US.
ThePowerOfFuet 12 hours ago||
Totally irrelevant because of the CLOUD Act.

Aussie law might be even worse than US; I would never use Fastmail.

Marciplan 16 hours ago||
using cirrux.me and very happy with an actual EU hosted option (Team is Dutch)
jgeerts 15 hours ago||
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cjs_ac 17 hours ago||
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honeycrispy 17 hours ago||
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lrae 16 hours ago||
You mean Chat Control 1.0 that was already in place from 2021 to April 2026 and allows for voluntary scanning for CSAM in unecrypted data through hash-matching for existing and indexed CSAM material?
flexagoon 16 hours ago||
Chat Control 1.0 is a permanent extension of a temporary law that already existed a year ago, allowing the companies to scan your messages if they want to. Nothing changed since then.
superq 15 hours ago|
EU data regions are based on the insanely flawed idea that data is:

* a physical thing that can only live in one place

* not copyable

* can be 'contained'.

The whole thing reeks of bureaucratic 'best practices' that just aren't.

Even worse than that, trying to keep email restricted to the EU (or anywhere else) means that you effectively wouldn't be able to communicate with anyone in a different region, which is kinda the whole point.

Why not just make your own internet next? and then you can disconnect from everyone else who is trying to hack you. Just pull your network plug.

Email itself is hopelessly insecure by design anyway. Not just metadata when you are E2EE everything inside the envelope, but even basic vulns like downgrade attacks are simple because it's literally a violation of the RFCs (so you're not spec-compliant) to require TLS or any other encryption.. Why? because requiring modern crypto might interfere with deliverability and backwards compatibility. The real, deeper reason is that email is from a kinder, simpler time (well, at least simpler) and the design goals were never updated to keep up with the times.

Email is what we have. Just understand its flaws and then use other tools where you can. And who cares where your email lives - it's too easy to break anyway.

preisschild 15 hours ago|
This is not an EU law anyways, this is snakeoil companies acting like having their data located in the EU will change who has access to it and will make it "GDPR compliant" (it wont since the CLOUD ACT still applies)
plqbfbv 15 hours ago||
> The CLOUD Act authorizes bilateral agreements between the United States and trusted foreign partners that will make both nations’ citizens safer, while at the same time ensuring a high level of protection of those citizens’ rights.

I think the keywords are "trusted" and "citizens' rights". US burned a lot of trust in the last few years, and what's happening with ICE doesn't really scream "citizens' rights" either. I can see why many "trusted foreign partners" would now think twice rather than help out the US compared to just 5 years ago.

As a EU person, I'd really like to not have ties with US when possible, and I'd really like to foster the economy of non-US alternatives.