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Posted by theanonymousone 1 day ago

Danish high schoolers will have to verbally defend written assignments(mezha.net)
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Halan 1 day ago|
I’ve studied CS in Italy and most if not all exams were both written and oral some also had labs. I thought it was the same for other degrees too.
golem14 1 day ago||
Fun story: Final oral exam (in history, I believe -- a thing back then), I took a whole A4 paper and turned it into hundreds of little balls in front of 3 teachers over the duration of the oral exam.

I had no idea I was doing this until one of the teacher pointed to the heap in front of me, but it saved my bacon as I did otherwise well.

azhenley 1 day ago||
I wrote about assessing students in the era of AI from when I was teaching at Carnegie Mellon: https://austinhenley.com/blog/aihomework.html
nrvn 1 day ago||
In my uni years bachelors, masters and PhDs required thorough research resulting in a huge opus printed and stitched together but the only thing that really mattered was the presentation of the work in front of the committee and oral defenses. To this day I have been living in full confidence that this is the academic standard that has been in place and effective (with variations) over centuries, if not millenias…

Even intermediate exams were a combinations of practical work in some written form and the theoretical grill sessions in the end of every semester.

All in all, if I had to put a professor’s hat today I would not give a sh.. if my students would use LLMs to write text. What would matter (and what does for me as a hiring manager at $WORK) and a human being with decency is the results of the _natural neural network_ training so to speak. IF whatever prompts and interactions with LLMs result in sharp knowledge of the subject and ability to apply the knowledge to solving real problems, well done and congrats!

fennecbutt 1 day ago||
Good!

Prevents AI being used to one shot the writing and helps them practice public speaking as well (even for people like me who hate public speaking).

dystopiandevel 1 day ago||
This is a great strategy. It is something I do in code reviews as a senior developer. There has been observed longer code reviews for seniors and this kind of approach keeps it manageable.
snapetom 1 day ago||
This is great. Sorry, but the Western World has to stop normalizing extreme introvertism. Humans are social. We rely on communication and cooperation to survive. Allowing kids to shelter themselves from interaction and communication during crucial development stages will only hamper them in life.
schroeding 1 day ago||
I find it quite surprising that Danish high school students (the article isn't about university) apparently did write digital exams with internet access until now, so basically open book.
pdhborges 1 day ago|
I'm also surprised. In Portugal primary, middle and high school tests and exams are all proctored and the vast majority of them written by hand.
humam_alhusaini 1 day ago||
Seems inefficient, why not just distribute a version history with the document?
sudo_cowsay 1 day ago|
Couldn't students ask AI to make a oral defense plan?
oynqr 1 day ago||
Did you know that there is a foolproof way to cheat on any exam? You can just store the answers in your brain. They won't even notice you cheated.
audreyfei 1 day ago|||
maybe the policy will succeed in encouraging learning for most students (at least I hope so!!); otherwise some might still rely on ai because of the trust they've built up with it, a lack of connection to and therefore faith in the info they're expected to just memorize, low confidence in their abilities, etc
sudo_cowsay 1 day ago|||
Woah! Really! I never knew that!
ungovernableCat 1 day ago|||
Of course they could, in fact it'll probably be great prep if they read it and understand it instead of just memorising the answer.

If they just memorise the answer any smart teacher can trip them up by just rephrasing things or developing tangents to see understanding.

In school before exams, I'd often make little cheat sheets about things that you'd need to memorise like formulas for areas and volumes or certain physics equations (we weren't allowed any reference material for that on exams). The very act of writing them all down before the exam would often boost my memory enough to the point I'd just recall them.

hx8 1 day ago||
At this point you're just describing learning using buzz words.
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