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Posted by mooreds 4 days ago

Picking berries is my meditation(www.tsoon.com)
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mattwdelong 4 hours ago|
About a year and a half ago, I cleared and rough graded my land for our house build. I rented a kx40-4 for about two weeks and put about 140 hours on it. That was pure meditation. The hydraulics became an extension of my body, with the immediate gratification of instantaneous change, I was able to shape the land as I see fit. My wife asked me what I was thinking about and my response was “dirt dirt dirt..rock..dirt” and that was wonderful. I have not had that feeling since I was completely disconnected for a week on an island in Belize. Very calming until the tap root of a big oak tree wrapped around the bedrock 6’ underground. Then you’re reminded that every task has its challenges. I’m now on the look out for a good deal on an excavator.

Otherwise, I enjoy flower farming and grow about 1/2 acre of flowers and sell wholesale. Close second. Sometimes it is stressful in the midst of July/August weeds but then once you come out the other side, it’s all worth it.

marssaxman 25 minutes ago||
Motorcycling gets like that for me, flying down a wide-open highway out in the countryside on a clear day... The bike ceases to be a machine I am operating and becomes an extension of my self, my mind immersed in the experience, full of the shape of the land and the curves of the road and the wind and the light.
chung8123 4 hours ago|||
I have always dreamed about operating an excavator and learning to do so well. I am not sure if it was a midlife crisis or what but I ended up buying a Chinese 2 ton excavator. I live in the suburbs but when I just want to clear my head I go in the backyard and play around with it. My skills have improved a little but nothing like putting 140 hours on a project good. The one I got was about the same as a U17 but less than half the price.
criddell 4 hours ago|||
There are places in (or around) Las Vegas where you can operate heavy equipment in a playground setting. You can dig holes or smash cars or just push dirt around. I'm thinking about spending an afternoon there next time I go.
HeyLaughingBoy 2 hours ago|||
So the TikTok memes about an "emotional support excavator" are real!
jareklupinski 1 hour ago|||
> “dirt dirt dirt..rock..dirt” and that was wonderful

reminds me of discovering minecraft for the first time a long time ago

tharkun__ 1 hour ago|||
See I can totally understand the excavator story. Would love that too.

Picking currants? I dread that every year. Same with the raspberries and the cherries and ... It's a chore, I really don't like it at all. Especially having to make sure there's no little green stem left on the currants. That work drives me nuts. Only thing worse is puzzles.

xattt 1 hour ago||
I don’t know if this is established technique, but I’ve settled on taking a pair of scissors to the base of the berry bunch and letting it drop into a bowl. I pick the stems off after the fact.
steveBK123 4 hours ago|||
> completely disconnected for a week on an island in Belize

I used to enjoy 18 hour flights to Asia pre-WiFi for true disconnection, plus time zone difference to US East Coast made the time spent on the ground there feel at least half disconnected

tonyedgecombe 4 hours ago||
I just go for a walk in the woods.
agumonkey 4 hours ago|||
I believe ability to shape our immediate surrounding is deeply placed in our brains.
QuercusMax 1 hour ago||
Not really much different than many of our close mammalian relatives, like beavers (rodents and primates are very closely related).

The more interesting thing is the use of "exoskeleton" type tools like excavators , automobiles, or even things like forks. Our brains basically consider them an extension of our body once we learn to use them. Fascinating stuff!

nonewideas 3 hours ago||
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steveBK123 6 hours ago||
I get it, same reason I enjoy gardening alone in general.

Most of us spend our work time balancing 100 different things, putting out fires, bouncing between meetings, answering adhoc pings via calls/zooms/slacks, and struggling to do the deep work we are allegedly paid for in between.

There's a therapeutic aspect to certain kinds of physical hobby/chore work or full focussed hobbyist time that counterbalances this.

Otherwise at the end of a day of being burned out, we ruminate & doom scroll which only makes things worse.

xattt 1 hour ago||
The missing part in a lot of this is the deliberate silence. Sure, I enjoy catching up with podcasts, but it’s hard to fully settle in and hear your own thoughts if there is other audio on the go.
unimplmntd_trap 6 hours ago|||
It’s amazing what 5 minutes spent picking weeds out of my garden does for my mental health.
Noaidi 4 hours ago||
You know what, that’s pretty depressing.
contagiousflow 2 hours ago||
Why?
Noaidi 1 hour ago||
Weeding is the act of removing unwanted plants, known as weeds, from a garden or other area where they are not desired. Capitalism "weeds" out the people that are marked for inefficiency.

I see this mimicking of capitalism as a depressing attempt to be in control. A re-expression of the power dynamic.

This is just my opinion.

embedding-shape 1 hour ago||
"Tending", which is the act of removing undesirable parts of whatever, isn't a parallel to how capitalism favors a winner-takes-it-all scenarios, if that's what you're alluding to.

If you're growing edible stuff, you need to remove the weed in many parts of the world otherwise you won't have any vegetables eventually as the weeds will overgrow everything else. You also don't want something you cannot eat to take nutrients and sun from what you can eat.

Noaidi 14 minutes ago||
You also don't want [someone who] cannot [work fast enough] to take [efficiency] from [the assembly line].
stantaylor 6 hours ago|||
I do long distance solo road cycling. The riding takes just enough of my cognitive capacity that the rest of my mind wanders lightly, usually not thinking about anything of substance. It feels like meditation to me.
embedding-shape 1 hour ago|||
Similarly, in the summer I do long open sea swims, and the calm is incredible when it's just you and nature, nothing else. Your mind is guided to focus at the task at hand and lets you wander around just a bit. The post-activity decompression is also real nice afterglow to complete the experience.
newsclues 6 hours ago|||
Yes, if you’re on a car free path, even better!
DC-3 4 hours ago|||
For a confident road cyclist it is usually a better experience to be on an actual road than a cycle path even though you have to manage vehicular traffic.
mantas 4 hours ago|||
Eh. Not the op, but calm backroads are perfect for such rides. Good enough surface so no need to scan it for the better line as on gravel roads or offroad. Little traffic. And cars are much more predictable than the chaos of bike paths.
ingvay7 4 hours ago|||
Have much more respect for "yard work" after realizing how therapeutic it is.Hours in the sun doing heavy work after sitting at a desk all week is incredibly relaxing and something i look forward to.
Tade0 5 hours ago||
I'm currently on a week-long vacation and it's been so long since I had some proper time off that I forgot how slowly time flows when you're not under pressure.
bikelang 3 hours ago||
This really resonates with me. I think I have 2 kinds of meditations like this. 1 is more “centering” - fly fishing; and the other is more “processing” - gravel biking.

When I’m on a long, multi hour gravel bike ride - I usually don’t listen to music - just the sounds of world around me and let my mind freely wander. As my mind wanders it finds the tough emotional pieces I haven’t yet processed and starts chipping away at them. Sometimes I end up crying quite hard depending on what my mind has decided to work through. I’m sure I look like a maniac to whatever farmers I’m passing by.

Fly fishing on the other hand is less emotionally intense and much more calming. The dull roar of the river, the intense focus on the water - trying to spot the fish movements within it, trying to identify the tiny bug life around me so I can better select a fly, the focus on placing my fly and my line precisely where I want it. The rhythmic casting, mending, and recasting. Finding constant balance as you wade across uneven river beds. It’s a rare thing where I can fully silence my mind but it’s easy to do when fly fishing. It’s like a deep reprieve from the otherwise constant chatter of thinking - just calm and serene.

gcanyon 5 hours ago||
Seattle has wild (foreign, invasive) blackberries all over the place, and in Summer you can easily drive around a bit, spot them, and then spend twenty minutes picking and eating them. As someone from southern California, it's a marvelous thing for food to just be out there in the wild for the taking.
VladVladikoff 5 hours ago||
I used to live in the PNW and picking blackberries, mushrooms, cherry plums & oysters kept me quite busy for most of the year. Where I live now the mushrooms and wild berries are nowhere near as abundant, and I feel quite depressed, I’m also spending a lot less time walking (hiking) than I did before. I should probably move back to the PNW for my health.
criddell 3 hours ago|||
I lived in Portland for a while and had blackberries along the side of my street. I asked my neighbors about them and they warned me not to eat them because they are basically watered by street runoff.
artisinal 5 hours ago||
> for food to just be out there in the wild for the taking

Wait until you hear about hunting!

Alien1Being 5 hours ago||
Yuck ....

Way to ruin something good .

margalabargala 4 hours ago|||
Don't be an ass.

Not everyone shares your opinion that what needs to be done for you to eat meat, is fine only so long as you can pay someone else to do it for you.

mannanj 3 hours ago||||
This post engages with bad faith and violates the hacker news rules.
Noaidi 4 hours ago|||
You seem pretty disconnected from nature.
epihelix 3 hours ago||
Ah yes, the relaxing, meditative joy of killing things in cold blood. Nothing brings you closer to nature than watching the fur and blood fly. Inner peace coming right up ...
criddell 3 hours ago|||
Part of that is right. Hunters, as a group, are closer to nature than most. Thanks to them, all kinds of conservation efforts have been started and maintained.

Ever wonder how Nixon was able to establish the EPA and sign into law the clean air act, the clean water act, the marine mammal protection act, the legacy of parks program, and the endangered species act when the green movement was (and is) mostly associated with left-leaning activists? Hunters. They were a big part of the conservative base and provided cover for Nixon and his conservation efforts.

strken 2 hours ago||||
I don't mean to be a jerk about this, but if you ever find an owl pellet and pull it apart, you'll be able to see the exact number and species of small animals it ate the previous night.

Owls spit out roughly one pellet a day.

Meditating on what this means will bring you closer to nature, although one of the primary benefits of this closeness tends to be gratitude that we can engage with nature on our own terms.

Noaidi 1 hour ago|||
You have just insulted generations of Matagi.
summarybot 3 hours ago||
I do really appreciate tranquil posts about immersing oneself in actual life, like this one. But as a long-term meditator I have a duty to inform everyone that doing something is not meditation.
antonyt 2 hours ago||
Is meditation so rigidly defined? It would seem to me that a certain kind of activity done with a certain kind of mindset could be deeply meditative. Disclaimer: I am not a meditator.
summarybot 2 hours ago||
Yes, classically the Point of meditation is to enter into absorption via gathering-poise [not a common term but one I have begun using as of late as a sense-for-sense translation of samadhi]. Unfabricated reality is not accessible through doing things.
Cider9986 1 hour ago|||
But you can meditate while doing something.
dudefeliciano 2 hours ago||
I never know what to respond to people when talking about meditation and they mention something like running/playing guitar/reading/etc is their meditation. I don't want to diminish their experience or sound like a contrarian but also know that

> doing something is not meditation.

so usually those conversations end with a "hm yes that's nice too"

brennanpeterson 40 minutes ago|||
So prayer beads aren't meditation? Indian traditionalists are out. Walking isn't, so zen is out. Chanting isn't, so.i guess all bhuddism is pretty much not ok. Maybe there is no true meditation.

It is ok to be focused and mindful with different aids. Always has been. There are self focused (mindful) and also self-abnegating traditions, and all count.

No harm to.me if others have a different way. If music, or chants, or gardening, have at it.

strken 2 hours ago|||
There's this very annoying thing where meditation experts try to dumb it down until they're basically describing a state of not thinking about stuff, and then someone else goes "oh cool yeah I don't think about stuff when I run", and the experts immediately go "but not like that!"

I wish that meditation experts would either dumb things down better or not try at all.

randusername 5 hours ago||
I think it is underappreciated how you can make almost anything meditative, even things you previously did not like as mentioned in this article.

For me it's loading and unloading the dishwasher. I hated it, still do, but if I'm careful to approach it with a very delicate kind of focus I can lose myself in the deep mysteries of the task.

_whiteCaps_ 1 hour ago||
If you're looking for a place to find things to pick: https://fallingfruit.org/about/welcome
lubujackson 2 hours ago||
My family has taken up some hobbies like this, which are very therapeutic to do together. Berry/cherry picking, hiking, mushroom gathering, and on vacation we like to go to certain beaches in Oregon to find agates or other cool rocks, some places have seashells and even a beach in Florida that has shark teeth.

With small kids, these sort of lazy tasks bring out focus, physical awareness and exploration. Living in the city, these are valuable respites from chaos and noise.

maguay 5 hours ago||
Washing dishes, strangely, hits that for me. One of the reasons I've never found dishwashers to be worth it.
tartoran 1 hour ago||
I find washing dishes by hand meditative too. I also don't find dishwashers too appealing.
tonyedgecombe 4 hours ago||
We just got a dishwasher after forty years without and I’m not sure it was a good idea.
ge96 58 minutes ago|
Here I was thinking these are poisonous ha, let's try it
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