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Posted by Thorondor 15 hours ago

Tom Stanton's supersonic trebuchet breaks sound barrier with gravity alone(www.techeblog.com)
243 points | 78 commentspage 2
alexaholic 9 hours ago|
This is awesome! I wonder how far can you get with a wood and iron build
27183 11 hours ago||
It would be interesting to scale this design up. Not necessarily in terms of velocity--supersonic velocity for a large trebuchet munition isn't necessarily desirable. What I mean specifically is scaling up the multi-revolution arm and sling release technology to be capable of launching a ~1 ton projectile.

Could it be done reliably with traditional construction techniques (wood, treenails, lashings, minimal metal hardware)?

AFAIK these are innovations that were not explored historically. It would be interesting to see if they would have been viable. It seems like you could probably achieve a lot more downrange energy using the same amount of materials this way.

itronitron 9 hours ago|
The spiral drivetrain seems like the most innovative, and elegant, technology that could be built with old tech. It requires some very strong rope though, so if you went back in time you'd need to really focus on that.
27183 7 hours ago||
Hemp ropes are quite strong, they've proven themselves for thousands of years in marine applications. You definitely need more thickness to achieve the same breaking strength as dyneema or steel cable but at slower speeds and higher projectile masses the aerodynamic consequences of a thicker sling rope might not matter so much. As for the "drive rope" for lack of a better term (the one that transfers power from the falling weight to the rotating drum) that one can be basically as thick as you like.
cyberax 5 hours ago||
A whip's end also breaks the sound barrier. It's not at all hard to do.
B1FF_PSUVM 5 hours ago||
Not to be that guy, but this recent XKCD is suspiciously relevant: https://xkcd.com/3276/
cineticdaffodil 11 hours ago||
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throw310822 11 hours ago|
What's extraordinary about this? You can get any amount of energy from gravity and transferring it to a small object doesn't sound like an especially complex feat. It's one of those influencer videos in which someone devotes a disproportionate amount of effort to accomplish something pointless- Mr. Beast does the exact same without any pretense of showing something useful.
adlpz 11 hours ago||
You sound fun...

This is HN. The trip is the destination, bla bla.

throw310822 10 hours ago||
No, I understand, it's the claim from the very first sentence that "gravity itself seemed to forbid" (reiterated later in the text) that annoyed me. It's just making up a non-existent obstacle to hype up the result.
magicalhippo 10 hours ago||
It's a bit clumsily written, but I'm pretty sure that's a reference to what Tom mentions in his video, that since g = 9.81m/s^2 you're not getting close to the speed of sound just from falling from a reasonable height, even ignoring air resistance.

Thus a traditional trebuchet design cannot reach that speed.

throw310822 10 hours ago||
But since potential energy from gravity is mgh and kinetic energy of a projectile is 1/2 mv^2, calculating height and mass of a weight to power the projectile is absolutely straightforward. The terminal velocity of a falling weight has nothing to do with it (even historical trebuchets used a leveraged system in any case).
magicalhippo 9 hours ago||
The point was the leverage can't be simple, like in a traditional trebuchet. Tom ended up with a rope pulling on a cone, with the arm being accelerated over many revolutions before the projectile is let go.

Tom explained it much more straight forward in his video, the blog author tried to be fancy and made it worse.

Mashimo 10 hours ago|||
Mate, you are on HACKERnews. We are all about this.
throw310822 10 hours ago||
Of course, but there is a continuum between "I spent years tackling this complicated problem and the solution will benefit us all" and "I've entered the same McDonald's drive-through 1000 times in one day to order always the same thing". Some achievements are closer to the first end, others lie more somewhere in between.
Mashimo 9 hours ago||
You will hate his stirling bike.

I love his entusiasmen for engineering and having the drive for a multi year project, even when the result is just another trebuchet. All while teaching physic in an entertaining way.

I don't get how this is close to driving through a drive through.

WheatMillington 11 hours ago||
What a sad and pathetic opinion, especially when targeted towards such an incredible contributor as Tom Stanton, a true educator and an energetic and excited engineering mind.