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Posted by root-parent 21 hours ago

Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models(www.ft.com)
https://archive.is/20LOJ

https://www.meta.com/thefutureisforeveryone/

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root-parent 21 hours ago|
https://archive.is/20LOJ
BrenBarn 5 hours ago||
What a load of insincere hogwash. If Zuck wanted to dilute the power of large institutions he has several billion ways to do it other than making limp gestures in the direction of open source. The problem is that even if you take him at his word here, he's only willing to do more good and not less harm.
ungovernableCat 15 hours ago||
From Zuck's own words "we will resume releasing some open source models soon" Why did you pause releasing them in the first place? Why release only some?

Pushes for export controls on China who have released open weights on much more powerful models than Meta (and I believe that trend's not changing any time soon). I guess open models are bad if they're communist.

The entire essay has not one mention of the Metaverse, that little thing they spent $80b on and rebranded the whole company around.

As usual, the only centralised power Zuck hates is one that isn't in his own hands.

gorgoiler 13 hours ago|
I can’t quite parse what you’re saying in your second paragraph, but if you are saying “[Zuckerberg then] pushes for export controls on China” then that’s different to what he’s saying, namely:

“I do not believe restricting access to foreign open source models is an effective solution.”

ungovernableCat 13 hours ago||
"Export controls on silicon have been successful for slowing the progress of foreign labs during this critical period, so it is the right strategic move to continue those."

https://www.meta.com/thefutureisforeveryone/

brokegrammer 8 hours ago||
Attack anything you can't compete against
Zigurd 20 hours ago||
Have I fallen into a time warp? Didn't Meta have a head of AI who thought open models were the way to go?
peezd 19 hours ago|
I think they were all in on open until they started falling behind, then decided to go all in on closed source thinking they could build a frontier SOTA model; that didn't pan out so they are whiplashing back.
analog31 11 hours ago||
Great, we can use open or closed models, now that the money is in running the models through their data centers either way.
Havoc 11 hours ago||
He released a good open weights model. On that basis he gets to take a few potshots…
mtoner23 15 hours ago||
Why would someone good at running a social media website be good at managing and developing ai frontier models
chrisra 15 hours ago|
Because they have extra money to do whatever they want with. And data to use it on? Not that that is sufficient, but it helps.
gaigalas 21 hours ago|
> Everyone will have an exceptionally capable personal agent that understands you, your goals, and everything you care about.

"One machine for every man, woman and children of Zion. Sounds exactly like the thinking of a machine to me." Morpheus

It's a joke. OR IS IT? Yes it is, don't worry about it.

blharr 21 hours ago||
Its weird to me that this is supposed to be THE end goal. Having an agent that does "everything" for you sounds like no paradise. It sounds depressing.

Maybe there is value in expending effort and actual creativity.

phoghed 20 hours ago|||
Not sure why you’re talking about it doing literally everything for you. I’m sure you can imagine a scenario where it handles annoying things for you and leaves you free to do things you enjoy instead.

Maybe it gets 10 car insurance quotes for you based on 4 models of car you’re considering.

Or figures out which psychologists in some travel distance of you actually take your insurance, are taking new patients, and what availability they have.

I can think of a ton of scenarios where a capable and reliable AI agent could make my life simpler.

mmahd7456 12 hours ago||
But, is "making my life simpler" actually worth the (ultimately) trillions of dollars that will go into AI in the next few years? Not to mention that he's calling AI "superintelligence" in the first few paragraphs, then qualifying it by talking about personal assistants.
krater23 10 hours ago||
Burn Venture Capital, Burn! In the best case, it's not your trillions of dollars. Just make sure that your Government doesn't invests.
detourdog 20 hours ago|||
I think this is just the flaw in the sales pitch. They want it to be inevitable so they describe as doing everything. That way it will appear more useful to more people. If they presented a realistic view of what is going it wouldn't be as interesting.
ben_w 21 hours ago|||
Still say Matrix 3 would have been better if the cliffhanger at the end of 2 had been that "the real world" was just another nested layer of the Matrix for those who rejected the primary fiction.

I mean, why bother sending an army like that when one tiny robot could carry in a plague? Or, as demonstrated by Smith, when an Agent can virally infect and take over someone's mind while they're connected?

Even in 1, Smith talked about the first Matrix failing as the humans rejected the paradise they were given, so it would've fitted perfectly into the cannon that minds who reject "the peak of your civilisation" got themselves a dystopia.

krzat 20 hours ago|||
The "nested reality" twist was already used by the "13th floor" movie so perhaps they intentionally choose a different direction.
staticman2 10 hours ago||||
I think Matrix 3 would have been better if it was more about humans taking control of the Matrix and trying to figure out what a virtual utopia looks like.
ben_w 2 hours ago||
I think that would work better in The Animatrix; putting it in 3 would be a tonal shift, plus a sudden human victory would feel a bit Mary Sue or Deus Ex (ironically) Machina to me.

But in The Animatrix, you could get away with that, plus we can see the early attempts at utopia that Smith described. Perhaps something about how utopia for some people didn't work for others could be illustrated with an auto-antonym on some load-bearing part of the dystopic-utopia?:

  Some believed we lacked the programming language to describe your perfect world.
We can see this even in current discussions of fiction, where people look at e.g. The Culture and see a dystopia, while famously many of the powerful in tech are parodied for taking the wrong lessons from fiction with "At long last, we have created the Torment Nexus from classic sci-fi novel Don't Create The Torment Nexus".
gaigalas 21 hours ago||||
We should consider if my use of the quote was really a hook for talking about the script or a metaphor for something else. I won't spoil it by explaining too much though, let our imaginations run free on this one.
root-parent 21 hours ago||
Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.
gaigalas 20 hours ago||
Psalm 135:15-18 is my favorite version of it, the most clear-headed. It reads more as a warning "if you do this, then this will happen" than an unreasonable commandment.

The idols of the nations are silver and gold, made by human hands. They have mouths, but cannot speak, eyes, but cannot see. They have ears, but cannot hear, nor is there breath in their mouths. Those who make them will be like them, and so will all who trust in them.

Don't worry about the scriptures though. It's likely to be just some old thinker pointing out the dangers of technologies of his time. No reason to believe those dangers carry over to today's technologies, probably.

293725903 16 hours ago|||
Your bible is truly full of wise words to live by. Not at all the insane ramblings of hallucinating conmen:

1 Kings 18:36-40

36 At the time of sacrifice, the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed: “Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel, let it be known today that you are God in Israel and that I am your servant and have done all these things at your command. 37 Answer me, Lord, answer me, so these people will know that you, Lord, are God, and that you are turning their hearts back again.”

38 Then the fire of the Lord fell and burned up the sacrifice, the wood, the stones and the soil, and also licked up the water in the trench.

39 When all the people saw this, they fell prostrate and cried, “The Lord—he is God! The Lord—he is God!”

40 Then Elijah commanded them, “Seize the prophets of Baal. Don’t let anyone get away!” They seized them, and Elijah had them brought down to the Kishon Valley and slaughtered there.

1 Samuel 18:25-27

25 Saul replied, “Say to David, ‘The king wants no other price for the bride than a hundred Philistine foreskins, to take revenge on his enemies.’” Saul’s plan was to have David fall by the hands of the Philistines.

26 When the attendants told David these things, he was pleased to become the king’s son-in-law. So before the allotted time elapsed, 27 David took his men with him and went out and killed two hundred Philistines and brought back their foreskins. They counted out the full number to the king so that David might become the king’s son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.

gaigalas 16 hours ago||
I said "Don't worry about the scriptures". It's not my bible, I'm an atheist. I see the book as a heavily altered collection of multiple historical sources, not as a holy monolith.
lenerdenator 20 hours ago|||
Obviously, this old thinker never had to think about creating value for shareholders or disrupting markets or changing the future.
gaigalas 19 hours ago||
My mistake, I disregarded shareholders. One must always think of them when recalling ancient wisdom.
lenerdenator 17 hours ago||
We all make mistakes.

Please go self-flagellate in front of the nearest investment bank/retirement fund's offices to make your penance.

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