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Posted by ilamont 23 hours ago

OpenAI’s head of ethics leaves less than a year after joining(www.ft.com)
https://archive.ph/W48UV

https://aimagazine.com/news/why-did-openai-head-of-ethics-ch...

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uhhhd 19 hours ago|
Sometimes it feels like hiring ethics folks is almost all downside for companies. I genuinely don’t understand why they keep doing it.

It seems like the pattern is almost always the same: the ethics team exists quietly in the background, and the only time anyone hears about them is when they either publicly leave the company or start a campaign against it.

So what exactly is the business case? Is it actually worth maintaining an ethics function just to be able to say you have one, when the only time it becomes visible is when it goes against the company publicly? And if this outcome is so predictable, why do companies keep hiring these people in the first place?

w10-1 15 hours ago||
> what exactly is the business case?

Ethics is also a containment vessel internally.

With an Ethics dept, concerned employees can rest easy knowing someone else is responsible, or if they raise concerns, they have someone to route and advocate their concerns, rather than adding noise to the chain of command. If the dept. ends up ineffective after some years, employees can blame the department, or have renewed hope when personnel turn over. So (slow) turnover is good from this perspective.

chasd00 19 hours ago||
there's probably a box to check on the "be attractive to investors" form and then you can also put the ethics department in HR docs as an escalation path to make emo employees feel better. I bet the ethics people get told how important they are when hired and the team is stood up but then get upset when they're continually bypassed and quit. I bet the bait/switch hurts a lot.
p0w3n3d 6 hours ago||
Marketing and management - the root of 50-80% of evil in the word (or as Christians say: greed - second deadly sin)
jazzpush2 9 hours ago||
These are the DEI jobs of the modern era. Cost centers with employees that get rich contributing less than nothing to the company, actively harming the researchers, while writing bs/fluff on twitter all day.
magekinnarus 7 hours ago||
In the end, AI ethics has less to do with AI itself and more to do with people who create and operate AI.
realo 20 hours ago||
Look , look! We hired a Head Of Ethics!

Head Of Ethics comes in, looks at what is really going on behind the curtains...

Head Of Ethics scrams out of there as fast as they can.

cmiles8 15 hours ago||
Head of ethics at Meta then head of Ethics at OpenAI. Sorry, but if that doesn’t scream useless puffy PR positioning then I don’t know what does.

What’s next? Head of ethics for United Healthcare?

walrus01 15 hours ago||
Head of Ethics at Palantir, obviously.
sillyfluke 13 hours ago|||
Subsequently named Head of Post-Ethics at Palantir.
felooboolooomba 13 hours ago|||
Head of not too much Ethics at Palantir, minimal really, obviously
DrewADesign 13 hours ago|||
Nice to have:

  - graduate degree in ethics from an obscure diploma mill


Strongly Preferred:

  - Experience in PR
  - Crisis Management
  - Public Speaking
  - Agentic management of *flexible ethics initiatives*


All Candidates Must Have:

  - 5+ years experience as an executive character in workplace education films, or commensurate experience as a human mannequin.
  — Personal aesthetic that could be described as “dork that can afford a personal shopper.”
holmb 14 hours ago|||
Possibly Head Master at the Belson Institute of Tethics.
walrus01 14 hours ago||
Don't forget to put the special LLM trained to eliminate PII leaks in the Gavin Belson signature box.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=gavin+bel...

pessimizer 13 hours ago|||
I assume she'll go wherever Nick Clegg is working. Is Tony Blair hiring?
pandemic_region 14 hours ago|||
The Trump administration could use a Head of Ethics.
smt88 14 hours ago||
There are a lot of government watchdogs, and Trump has been ignoring or dissolving them
FlamingMoe 13 hours ago||
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outside1234 13 hours ago||
Hilarious that this is the thing that gets downvoted
gilfoyle_7 2 hours ago||
must've been a christian
chermi 18 hours ago||
She probably made a calculation for how much she could be put up with vs. the pay.
mcfdoesdev 11 hours ago||
There will be tell-all books on all of the big AI companies in the not-too-distant future.
jms703 11 hours ago|
There are shareholders to please and money to be made. Of course ethics are out the door.
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