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Posted by rvz 1 day ago

Grok Bot(x.ai)
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stillpointlab 1 day ago|
This is obviously the future, where this will all end up. But just like when I saw the demos for Google's "AI build the interface dynamically", I wonder how much of the demo actually translates to real usage.

One thing that this highlights for me even more than before is that having accounts for my bots is what I really want. I want SaaS providers to catch up to bot use. They need their own accounts on a lot of these services and per-seat pricing works against this.

ralph84 1 day ago||
How does per-seat pricing work against bots? If anything it's a great deal because SaaS providers set per-seat pricing with the expectation that on average most seats are idle. Bots working 24x7 can get a lot more value out of a seat than humans working 9-5.
stillpointlab 1 day ago|||
I just mean for me as a solo dev I guess. For example, github gives 2 users as part of a basic org and charges extra per seat, so if I want seats for individual agents so I can track them separately then I have to pay more. Same with Google Workspace, where I have to pay for additional users if I want to have multiple accounts.

As an example, I wanted to set up users in AWS identity center so I can give view only access to bots for my infrastructure, but that requires different email addresses. I set up an alias on my existing user so I didn't have to do that, but ideally I could have accounts for agent1 and agent2.

I can usually find workarounds like this but I feel I shouldn't have to. I don't want the agents to share my permissions in general since I'm often the admin. I want to give them limited scopes whenever possible.

edit: for reference, a Google Workspace user is ~220CAD/year and a github user is ~50USD/year. That is quite expensive if I want to add a couple of agents (well over 500CAD/year).

bulder 1 day ago|||
Presumably it'll either mean selling "agent seats", or billing seats for every started hour of use. With a monthly minimum, of course.
Manfrednotfunny 1 day ago||
We are still early on and already see things like this being created etc.

The big difference probably will be the compute use, the big players will introduce A2A stuff sooner than later, than you don't need to login into any services per webui.

I think we will also see more streamlined things, like verified actions / signed actions, etc.

stillpointlab 18 hours ago||
I think that is true in fast moving and AI adjacent business, but less true in established players. Like everything.

The main issue are businesses where the per-seat model is their entire business model. There is a balance between taking advantage of the opportunity of the explosion of bots by offering a lower price option to attract new users and cannibalizing your existing users who might swap to the lower price option seeing it as good enough.

On my side it is less the streamlining (AI can mostly do anything on my computer already, it has little trouble with CLI or computer use) and more to do with cost. If cost wasn't an issue, I'd just pay the full price for a full seat.

natsucks 1 day ago||
everyone is shipping their in house solutions and they all seem...kinda the same.
taoh 1 day ago||
My feeling too. The foundation models and harnesses are commoditizing eventually because there's no stickiness nor algorithmic supersecrets.
myaccountonhn 1 day ago|||
It's funny because it can also just be recreated yourself extremely easily.
redox99 1 day ago||
For a Linux user, you can already build such a system yourself quite trivially by...
bakies 1 day ago|||
Right... I've got this at home already
Manfrednotfunny 1 day ago|||
yes because they are building things everyone is aware that it needs to be build.

The differentiation, experimentation etc. comes after.

esafak 1 day ago||
That's what everybody is excited about; being able to write whatever they want. They just say 'Make a clone of Foo' and hey presto! The next step is to share your fabulous creation with the world. Lo, and behold, it looks just like Foo!
whimsicalism 1 day ago||
How do they stop providers (like Amazon, etc.) from detecting and blocking these agents if they are running on cloud? I know that openai wasn't able to avoid this which is why they moved to 'computer use' on your local machine.

I almost wonder if this is a place where SpaceX, as an internet provider through starlink, has a unique advantage because websites are unable to block their networking as it could be residential starlink consumers.

therealdrag0 1 day ago||
I use Hermes locally and it’s constantly hitting bot blocks. Just trying to shop clothes for me it gets blocked.
thenbrent 7 hours ago|||
Interesting. A residential IP was enough for me to get my Hermes agent grocery shopping successfully on a website with quite aggressive bot protection.

I run Hermes on a VPS, and the website was blocking its IP. I gave it a reverse SSH tunnel to a remote-debugging Chrome profile on my local Mac and now it works fine.

diseasedyak 23 hours ago|||
This exactly! It sounds like a good thing in theory, but in practice everything is blocked that I've ran into, using Hermes to try to automate things like this. It's not just bot blocks either, but things like Captcha and such.
theplumber 1 day ago||
I think it creates a loop back connection, basically a reverse socks5 or a VPN if they are more sophisticated. That’s how I would do it. Note that I am also working on a such bot/AI os and mine is better (for now) . If you have trillions, billions to or millions to invest feel free to reach out.
whimsicalism 1 day ago||
This would imply you need to have your computer on in order for it to function, which seems like a deal breaker for many consumer usecases imo. I'd like to be able to say "order my groceries" and then I hop on the subway.
edot 1 day ago||
Not a big deal at all. Claude Code and Codex both support keeping your computer awake. That'll just be a default thing that gets turned on when you install one of these apps.
whimsicalism 1 day ago||
i just completely disagree. lots of people don't even have laptops and how will they keep my laptop alive and performing tasks while it's in my backpack on the subway not connected to internet?

i feel like there's an obvious advantage if your agent can work truly in the background

s900mhz 1 day ago||
I agree, but I made myself laugh pondering a solution to this in which I came up with a Raspberry Pi like device that acts as the loopback for the agent. Always keep it on and plugged in.

I would like to introduce the Grok Box

whimsicalism 1 day ago||
I actually have set up something similar myself and it is much easier now that codex desktop for linux just came out (which has computer use/browser driving abilities). The issue is that on an rpi, I have to usually manually log into everything once.
kerv 1 day ago||
Are there any opensource app/system that directly competes with a solution like this?
lukebuehler 1 day ago||
Im working on one here: https://github.com/smartcomputer-ai/lightspeed

The core is there. But there is some work to be done to have a nicer shell and all, which I’m currently focusing on.

redrove 1 day ago||
Oh this looks very interesting, both for personal and work; I’ve been looking for something similar for quite a while.

However, no OpenAI API support (just Anthropic + openai.com) means I can’t use it for either.

lukebuehler 1 day ago||
The OpenAI API style (completions) support is coming this week. Currently working on it.
blehn 1 day ago|||
https://buzz.xyz/
redrove 1 day ago||
I’ve tried using this as a self hosted instance and it’s been a little rough around the edges with Hermes.
mellosouls 1 day ago|||
Grokbot is another derivative of open source originals like Open Claw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenClaw

kanwisher 1 day ago||
openclaw and hermes
blahblaher 1 day ago||
don't use the hitler bot please and thank you.
czottmann 1 day ago|
Upvoted. Nobody else seems to be fine with the White Supremacy site, but you aren't. Thanks for making me feel less alone.
gexla 23 hours ago||
This is super confusing. It's not supposed to have a Linux version and it's supposed to be only for Supergrok Heavy (during beta according to the docs) and yet the landing page gave me an option to download it for Linux and to setup a trial account that I could use it with via Cursor. But, it doesn't seem to get through the gates to connect to whatever it needs to connect to.

Otherwise, I think this would still go into my "I don't get it" folder. It seems like the flavor of the day is "agents can talk to each other" and Grok Bot is selling that point along with Claude Code. But I think Pi has had this for a while? Or it was easy to wire it in.

SilverBirch 1 day ago||
Just so I'm clear, Grok bot snags your credentials and then pretends to be you whilst surfing the web. If it uses your account to post of X (ie, the social network), is it adhering to X terms of service or is that violating policy by using a bot?
mike_hearn 1 day ago||
Neat. I haven't had access to Grok Bot but I rolled my own async agent a while ago using systemd, Codex and old school UNIX stuff like sendmail/postfix/Maildirs. The model gets a rolling and continuously compacted context window in which mail arriving or timed wakeups cause Codex to resume a session with a prompt telling it to do stuff.

As it's linked to an SMTP gateway I interact with it entirely by email. It also has API keys for my internal bug tracker, it has its own git forks of my repos and so on.

Over time it's improved itself so it has adaptive wakeups, a nice monitoring dashboard so I can see what it's doing if I want, a bunch of skills, a nightly wakeup to reorganize its home directories and so on. It keeps a private knowledge base in its home dir and writes its own skills, and it has a persistent todo list. When the todo list is populated it wakes up more frequently so it can break work up into chunks, a kind of basic Ralph loop.

I've found this email-centric paradigm works pretty nicely for me compared to just running a local CLI agent. For instance, I can assign a bug to "Axiom" (it named itself) in YouTrack and the email notification causes it to wake up and start work on the bug. If it gets blocked, it uses its API key to post a comment back to the ticket. If I think of something I just quickly email it, so I'm using Gmail instead of dealing with finicky ChatGPT style UIs that don't have good support for labelling, compact UI and other nice things.

On older models its judgement about what to work on wasn't that good, but with the latest GPTs it's doing much better. I just got back from holiday and it had triaged and resolved over 25 different bugs, a nice selection too.

Because the whole thing runs in a dedicated UNIX user account it is able to modify its own configuration, which has helped as I developed this setup.

However, based on the blog post, Grok Bot sounds a fair bit more sophisticated. I haven't felt a need for more than one bot as I can't easily saturate even a single bot.

Cost: just uses my regular ChatGPT Plus subscription, $20/month, plus of course the server it runs on (which is shared with lots of other stuff). I'm not working with it heavily, perhaps if I did I'd need the $200/month sub.

no-name-here 1 day ago||
Pricing: https://x.ai/bot
pbronez 1 day ago||
Interesting that the pricing is "Cursor Ultra" and "Cursor Premium Teams." This very much feels like the Code --> Cowork product iteration.
leerob 1 day ago||
It works with the highest tier Cursor/Grok accounts during the beta.
mrtksn 1 day ago|
Interesting how everyone seems to be following OpenAI on UX. When I used Antigravity and they suddenly switched to Codex type UI I was very annoyed because I kept checking if this is Codex or Antigravity.

Either way, I still don't think that computer use is solved. It worked horribly on Codex and Antigravity the last time I tried. Maybe I was doing something wrong.

leerob 1 day ago||
It's quite a bit different, namely that ChatGPT Work has both local conversations and cloud agents. But for each cloud agent, you are spinning up and tearing down a new VM each time. This is an always-on Linux box, which stays logged in. Additionally, your bots can talk to each other (although Codex did have the ability to reference threads, I am not sure if one thread could send messages to other threads).
redox99 1 day ago||
Computer use will suck until we get 500+ tk/s
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