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Posted by Markoff 7 hours ago

Deutsche Bank becomes first foreign yuan clearing bank in Europe(tradersunion.com)
343 points | 373 commentspage 3
sigma5 7 hours ago|
"but at what cost" ?
wirj34iuh324uh2 7 hours ago|
I'll pay.

https://genius.com/Jc-chandor-margin-call-boardroom-scene-an...

libertas_quae_s 6 hours ago||
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onetokeoverthe 7 hours ago||
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christkv 5 hours ago||
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cluckindan 6 hours ago||
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embedding-shape 6 hours ago||
Is there any of the large-large banks that haven't at one point been involved in all sorts of money laundering? Feels like it's almost a rite of passage for the banks.
cromka 6 hours ago|||
Which high street bank wasn't? Seriously...
TacticalCoder 6 hours ago||
The latest public CIA World Factbook numbers estimated that the percentage linked to crime was 3% to 5% of the world's entire GDP. BTW the CIA should know something about it...

In other words, whether they know it or not, every single bank in the world is involved in money laundering.

P.S: I don't know if that's true or not but some people have made the case that there are, percentage-wise, less transactions linked to crime on the public, transparent, ledgers that are the blockchains than in the real banking system.

FrustratedMonky 7 hours ago||
The end of the Petro Dollar?

Soviet-China-Iran - Petro Yuan?

/edit for the pedantic. Russian Federation.

rf15 6 hours ago||
Don't think that China stands that close with Russia and Iran. Or needs them, for that matter.
victorbjorklund 6 hours ago|||
Russia and Iran are irrelevant in the global economy.
andsoitis 6 hours ago|||
> Russia and Iran are irrelevant in the global economy.

They're modest by raw economic size, but outsized in relevance due to energy resources and geopolitical leverage.

codedokode 4 hours ago||||
Russia is 9th world economy by nominal GDP [1]. Larger than many European and Asian countries.

Also I am surprised that China is so close to US (20 Trillion vs 31 Trillion). The gap is less than 2x now.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_%28no...

FrustratedMonky 6 hours ago|||
Iran is irrelevant?

You probably haven't turned on the news in a little while.

smalllangmodel 6 hours ago|||
Soviet?
kibwen 6 hours ago||
There won't be a petro-anything. In 30 years the oil industry will no longer be the resource upon which the whole world turns, and will instead be just another industrial input.
thehumanmeat 6 hours ago|||
There was never a petro-anything. It's always been and is the Eurodollar global reserve currency. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurodollar
FrustratedMonky 6 hours ago||
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FrustratedMonky 6 hours ago|||
One can only hope.

This current crises has been a boon for alternative energy sources.

Really has driven home the point to even the most 'head-in-sand-right-winger' that Solar is a National Defense issue, not a woke agenda.

zer00eyz 7 hours ago||
Deutsche banks slogan should be "If you need to do something shady call Deutsche".

At some point china will loose the ability to keep its global currency (Yuan, should be inflating) decoupled from the domestic one (Renminbi is deflating). They have been keeping long running issues in Banking, and Relestate at bay but a global recession (and were on the cusp it seems) is going to be brutal to china.

I suspect that if (when?) that hits this will turn into another Deutsche scandal.

benhill70 1 hour ago|
You are getting down voted, but folks really need to look at DB extremely shady history.

Read the list for yourselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Bank#Controversies

zer00eyz 1 hour ago||
I pointed out the actual issue at hand for china with its currency - and that implies why DB would be a solid choice for them to use that bank.

The thread devolving into a debate about "reserve currency" is - to be blunt - deeply misinformed. Chinas bond liability and the currency its priced in is the ultimate contra indicator into how its going to handle the coming storm.

roschdal 6 hours ago||
I don't like, trust or trade with China.
smalllangmodel 6 hours ago|
But america xD
kklisura 6 hours ago||
If there's one thing you can do now that will set you up for the next 20–30 years: it’s learning Mandarin.
tdeck 6 hours ago||
The trouble is that a billion people speak Mandarin already and many of them speak very good English as well, so your own skillset as a second language learner isn't very likely to be valuable. Unfortunately learning any language is rarely a valuable market skill on its own.
crabette 6 hours ago||
Right now Mandarin speakers in Europe are in high demand for contract support, it's different when you have a translator on a site with culture matching yours then having it in contractor's country.
Markoff 5 hours ago||
tell that to my wife - native Chinese speaker - unable to find job in Europe, what you say may work for someone speaking perfectly local language (other than English), but not for just English/Chinese combo without 3rd language

just language itself isn't enough

argentinian 6 hours ago||
With advanced AI real time translation I don't see any need for that.
kalleboo 6 hours ago||
With pervasive AI agents, intrapersonal trust between humans is going to be more important than ever.

Completely real-time translation is an impossibility since languages have different sentence orders, so it will always be an awkward filter with fits and starts that erodes trust.

BaardFigur 6 hours ago|
Not a good thing. China is an authoritarian regime, which we need to reduce dependency on, not increase it.
amrit3128 6 hours ago||
Blood money isn't red in color. USA has more war crimes in the past 5 decades than almost all other major countries combined. But that doesn't matter when you're profiting. Same goes here.
brodo 5 hours ago|||
I think other nations are not asking themselves which country has the best human rights record. That time has passed. Trump and Putin have pushed the world back to pure power politics. All the middle powers want to be less open to US blackmailing by diversifying. They know China is not their friend, but the US isn't either, and China is more predictable.
victorbjorklund 6 hours ago|||
We also need to reduce our depency on USA which is currently signaling it is a hostile nation that consider and invasion of Europe in the form of an occupation of Greenland. It is possible USA:a admin is just lying about their hostile intentions but that in itself is a reason to reduce dependence on America
tgv 5 hours ago|||
> We also need to reduce our depency on USA

True, but trading the USA for China is not a wise move, if only because China would never ever have stepped up in WW2, and will not provide any support in the future either, except --Buddha willing-- by selling arms.

keybored 2 hours ago||
Is choosing your favorite hegemon going to be based on WWII Hollywood stories?
dana-s 6 hours ago|||
The USA is also currently signalling hostilities towards Brazil. They're hostile to all.
keybored 6 hours ago|||
I’m impressed. I had to scroll down ten top level comments in order to find a contentless but-China-regime comment. Good work HN.
matheusmoreira 6 hours ago||
The US is not that different.
LarsDu88 6 hours ago|||
China is more authoritarian but the US under republican presidential administrations has been more more militarily aggressive. Every single Republican administration has initiated invasions of other countries and every Democratic administration has at the very least engaged with overseas bombing.

The question is whether this makes folks more or less likely to hold dollars vs yuan as reserve currency

SanjayMehta 6 hours ago|||
The US is infinitely worse, at least China is predictable.
OutOfHere 5 hours ago|||
You don't know the meaning of the words. Ask the Philippines how unpredictable China is in the South China sea.
eunos 3 hours ago|||
China is predictable. See how it was smoother during Du30
SanjayMehta 5 hours ago|||
You don't know who is the President of the USA.
OutOfHere 4 hours ago||
And how is that relevant? You have a bad habit of routinely making extremist statements without backing them up. It is not the first time I have seen you do it.

The US is not an authoritarian regime. To call it infinitely worse than China in this regard is false, and is a laughable claim. The President will be out in a few years.

matheusmoreira 6 hours ago|||
Yeah, can't say I disagree. I expected Trump to be authoritarian but I thought he'd actually at least try to be smart about it.