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Posted by speckx 4 hours ago

In Australia, a home battery boom has helped cut wholesale power prices(e360.yale.edu)
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thelastgallon 2 hours ago|
Australia is also 4,000km wide. A time difference of 2 - 3 hours. This adds a few more hours of Solar with long distance transmission.
tialaramex 2 hours ago|
As you say, Australia is very big. Big sections of it are also, as a result, empty. The coast-to-coast "long distance transmission" is not in fact a thing in Australia.

China has long distance HV transmission, but it's crazy expensive and they built it because most of China's people live near its coast but most of its solar power is in the interior so the power needs to be moved.

Australia is exceptional for having a lot of humans who live somewhere that's incredibly sunny. The whole place is sunny. It'll vary from place to place whether that's only "Southern Spain" sunny or full-on "Middle of the Sahara Desert" sunny, but it's all very sunny indeed, if you were inventing a country to buy solar panels Australia would be that country.

yason 2 hours ago||
In Europe the battery subsidies could've been used to double the price of electricity and make things worse for everyone paying for it. What a wasted business opportunity.
testing22321 4 hours ago||
I put 7.3kw of panels on our roof for $0 of our money thanks to a $5k rebate and $8k interest free loan. It makes 7.2Mwh of power a calendar year, which would cost $1000 if we had to pay for it.

So for 8 years we pay the loan instead of for the power, then we get -25 years of $1000 a year in our pockets. The price of power is also pre approved to increase a minimum of 5% a year every year here, so the savings will be more than that.

Right now we get a 1:1 credit for anything we put into the grid. If and when that changes I’ll get a battery.

The kicker? We’re in Canada in a tight valley where it snows a ton. If it works here…

surfmike 4 hours ago||
California is also adding a lot of battery storage… but why are electricity prices falling in Australia and not in CA? Are they outpacing us?
zipy124 3 hours ago||
"Energy Minister Chris Bowen said that Australia now has more home batteries than the United States, which has a population 12 times larger."

Yes.

Wacari1 3 hours ago||
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greenleafone7 4 hours ago||
This whole thing started because of some power pylons got destroyed and electricity was not restored for about a year right?
rswail 3 hours ago|
Not quite. It was already starting, but the Federal government at the time was very anti RE.

South Australia had a single interconnect to the rest of the Australian Energy Market that covers the states except for WA and Northern Territory.

There was a big storm that took out an interstate interconnect and the voltage spike caused all the other generators to disconnect to protect themselves.

Then Elon promised to build utility storage in 6 months or the state would get it for free.

That was the Hornsby battery which is mainly used for Frequency services (basically when supply/demand fluctuates, it keeps things stable).

That used to be done by gas plants, but the battery saved a large chunk of its cost in the first year by being able to switch on much faster.

discordance 2 hours ago||
>That was the Hornsby battery

Hornsdale - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hornsdale_Power_Reserve

fitsumbelay 2 hours ago||
Opposite story here in the US with very recent news about Trump breaking offshore wind farm agreements and using billions of US taxpayer dollars to pay repercussive fees to those operators. Our decline/regression in terms of clean energy and how easily the current administration's pulled it off and continues to is an ugly fucking mystery ...
Apreche 4 hours ago||
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Wacari 4 hours ago|
so in other words, heavily subsidize another technology (introducing cost shifts onto non-adopters, typically poorer people) to try and solve operational problems directly caused by oversubsidizing rooftop solar (another regressive cost-shift and extremely inefficient cost allocation relative to tx-connected solar) by bringing down wholesale prices (already a minority of the utility bill).

Fixed costs, the majority of the utility bill, continue to increase. But hey, LMPs (something residential tarriffs are not as exposed to) are lower!!! LMFAO

rswail 4 hours ago||
Wholesale power is ~37% of the customer bills.

The other costs are the "poles and wires" distribution network and the HV transmission network.

The government is also building out the transmission network to various renewable energy zones, which has the added benefit of making the transmission network more resilient.

With large coal plants, the network was only one interconnector failure from blacking out a state (as happened to South Australia).

Now there is a much better network of interconnected transmission across the entire east and south coast of Australia, covering something like 80% of the population.

The government just bailed out an aluminium smelter that was going to close because of the increased cost of power because it was relying on an old coal plant. Now that will be replaced with renewables.

So we get the benefit of the continued operation of the smelter, as well as the build out of replacement generation for the old coal plants at EOL that will be closed by 2030.

skew-aberration 3 hours ago|||
I think you could use more citations.

The South Australia blackout was not caused by coal or renewables or lack of interconnectors. If there had been zero interconnects (the local grid was self-sufficient) it wouldn't have happened! The primary cause of the extended blackout was simply a lack of readiness/contingency planning/compliance particularly at several large windfarms. See wiki article.

Coal is generally cheaper for baseload power like an aluminum smelter, even though solar is cheaper during the day. Firming with wind/battery is not yet competitive but is getting very close and is at the point where building new coal power plants is not viable. Refer to gencost report. However, replacing such a large load with brand new renewable capacity is almost certainly more expensive than simply continuing to burn coal, particularly when factoring in the grid upgrades required to make such a transition.

Wacari1 3 hours ago|||
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fitsumbelay 2 hours ago||
in other words there's no winning because circular arguments about how things "really" work, plus insisting on and worst-possible-case-outcomes-as-inevitabilities.

right ...