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Posted by cwwc 2 days ago

The Mysterious Syndrome Destroying Endurance Athletes(www.outsideonline.com)
24 points | 16 comments
kzrdude 44 minutes ago|
Nils van der Poel was* a long distance speed skater who set impressive records and wrote about his training regime. His book is https://www.howtoskate.se/. He trained ambitiously for 3 years, won Olympic gold medals and retired! He followed a very analytically minded path and avoided overtraining.

See also brief overview article about him:

https://runningmagazine.ca/sections/training/olympic-speed-s...

(*) He changed his name since, to a more common name, so using past tense seemed humorously appropriate.

matsemann 7 minutes ago|
His book was discussed at the time here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30320639
drakonka 11 minutes ago||
The description of it as well as one of the theories on the cause make me think of burnout:

> Kreher and others believe that the mind plays an equally important role. Because your central nervous system influences your brain as well as your physiology, he theorizes that true overtraining syndrome is triggered by a combination of psychological and physical stress.

> “That’s the multi-system nature of the condition,” Kreher says. “The interaction of the mind and body is incredibly influential.” To finish a 100-mile race requires a psychological thrashing, and some runners have described a kind of post-race depression. As they try to rally to train for the next goal, perhaps beating themselves up for their prior performance, that mental stress, in addition to the physical depletion, could bring on OTS.

nortonb82 1 hour ago||
https://archive.ph/MCdpS
eulgro 54 seconds ago||
> he inhaled a peanut butter and jelly sandwich at the kitchen table

Well that can't help for sure.

xcskier56 49 minutes ago||
I wonder if this is due to a lower rate of coaching. I don’t have a ton of first hand knowledge but most other endurance sports the athletes usually come up through well organized teams. Maybe the lack of organization (which is great for other reasons) leads to less coaching and therefore missing someone to tell you to rest and recover before you go over the edge.
drakonka 21 minutes ago|
The article addresses this:

> That’s not to say that athletes in other sports aren’t working hard. They are. But they typically do so within a team environment or under the direction of a professional coach, providing them with well-established frameworks for success. Even though ultrarunning has grown, there’s still little infrastructure to support its competitors. Sponsorships mean full-time careers, but that rarely includes coaching.

bell-cot 1 hour ago||
I'm not in this space, on either the athlete or the biomedical side - but it sounds like a "more is better" running mindset and mythos is colliding with the biological realities of human bodies which either (1) Were not carefully designed for this kind of duty cycle, or (2) Have accumulated quite a few deleterious mutations in the generations since that design, resulting in frequent operational failures at well below the hoped-for spec.

Might anyone know if indigenous groups such as the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rar%C3%A1muri - where extreme distance running seems part of their traditional culture - have been studied in this regard?

pif 37 minutes ago|
> They are renowned for their form of prayer that involves running for extended periods of time.

Mark me as atheist!

raverbashing 40 minutes ago||
"Mysterious"

"Overtraining syndrome"

I don't see why it's so mysterious, fatigue accumulates until something tips you over the limit

goda90 14 minutes ago||
Do we know the biological mechanism to cause OTS, though? That would open up avenues for treatment and more precise prevention besides "rest more" (not that that's a bad preventative).
inigyou 6 minutes ago||
What's fatigue? Is there a fatigue molecule?
NooneAtAll3 1 hour ago|
paywall
inigyou 5 minutes ago||
Paywalled articles are allowed on HN, but if you pass the URL to archive.is and then post the link here, you can get a few karma points for free.
bell-cot 1 hour ago||
Not if you're security conscious enough to default-block js.
robin_reala 19 minutes ago||
…or hit the reader button.