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Posted by Ariarule 2 days ago

I like 'em thick: an apology to my English teachers(www.experimental-history.com)
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andai 1 hour ago|
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rimzyy 4 hours ago||
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arcza 4 hours ago||
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amelius 8 hours ago||
> ... and I was like ...

And you'll need to add an apology for using that phrase too.

enthdegree 6 hours ago||
>For most of my life, I treated art museums like celebrity scavenger hunts. [...] This ended when I encountered The Garden of Earthly Delights

closed tab.

blobbers 7 hours ago||
I'm confused; why is this hitting #2 on HN? I don't see the H or the N in this.
jihadjihad 7 hours ago||
It's always funny to me how often comments like yours show up, despite a long history on here of diverse thoughts and intellectual curiosities, technological or otherwise.

But especially funny and bewildering in this case is that you have this in your About section of your HN user account:

  > A journey from the liberal arts to hacking the latest gadgets or statistics.
blobbers 6 hours ago||
I find it slightly creepy that people are reading my past thoughts. Time to look into privacy settings.

I just felt like the article wasn't particularly well written.

Just because AI can produce slop, doesn't mean humans don't either.

kazinator 5 hours ago|||
> Time to look into privacy settings.

Here is a privacy setting: leave the "about:" field blank in your profile, if you don't want anyone reading it?

It's one click away from every one of your comments; no digging required.

yogurtboy 5 hours ago||||
You say you felt like the article wasn't well-written (which I disagree with, btw, it was clear and with many nice turns of phrase), but your comment complained about it not being very hackery or newsy. Maybe your comment was thick cause we were supposed to figure out what you actually mean.
dgabriel 5 hours ago|||
Hacker news comments aren't private, and they shouldn't be private. I find it interesting that you think your own public soapbox declarations should not be discoverable.
dredmorbius 6 hours ago|||
<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15360228>
bryanlarsen 7 hours ago|||
Diving deep into something is a core aspect of hacking.
loopmonster 7 hours ago|||
Because it's about AI
svachalek 7 hours ago|||
Because it's thick.
adambb 7 hours ago||
As you delve further into the article, and (ironically, based on the topic) consider the ideas presented, it becomes more clear. Or skip to near the end to see.

TLDR: AI and generic pop culture artifacts have something in common - a lack of a certain type of depth that makes art great.

blobbers 6 hours ago||
I think that's not the author's point; he's mostly talking that time solidifies ideas as shown by the evolution of points of view. At the same time, his picture of the wave shows that over time the painting feels more distilled and simplified. So is his point actually that simple ideas persist and are appealing? It isn't clear? That an art improves?

I think slop-pocalypse misses one thing. AI's time of thinking is very different than ours.

A "thick" argument that could take a lifetime in human terms could happen in minutes of AI.

the_af 5 hours ago||
So it seems in summary you do see the "H" and "N" of it, you just disagree with some parts of the article.
Bratmon 7 hours ago|
In my understanding of literature, I went through the same arc as the poster, but then I made it to the next realization- "thickness" is just your willingness to give authors credit for things they didn't write, and it can be done just as well for works that are considered "schlock" as it can for the canon of works that are considered "great".

You can read "Moby Dick" as a story about a fish, and you can read "50 shades of grey" as a treatise on existentialism and the human spirit- it's all up to you!

DEADMEAT 6 hours ago||
Your point of view seems to imply that the author's skill and intent don't matter, which I can't agree with. The reason that a reader's effort gets more out of a great work is because the author put it there, not because it exists as a function of the work in itself.
nostromo95 7 hours ago|||
I'm sure this aesthetic relativism holds up under argument, but this is an 'anti realization' that:

-Reduces explanatory power (if Moby-Dick and 50 Shades are the same, why has one been lauded for 100 years, minted the careers of countless academics, etc.?)

-Makes the world less interesting

recursive 6 hours ago|||
One of them has existed for more than 100 years. One of them has been granted credibility by a small number of academics before becoming a safe conservative choice for subsequent ones.

I don't know, but those sounds like some plausible answers.

ux266478 5 hours ago|||
On the first point, explanation is inherently subjective. It reduces explanatory power purely because you're forced to acknowledge it was never universally appropriate, which tracks. The variety of explanation you're referring to in this context is one that I always found to be unsatisfactory. It's inherently stripping context (IE every component of what makes something the right place, the right time) out of the equation, which makes comparative analysis absurd.

On the second point, I vehemently disagree, and I'm curious how you think a larger, more complicated world can be argued to be less interesting? Does the fact that your hallucinations and delusions are vacuous, and that they don't sit alone in a dark void, paralyze you with fear?

topaz0 6 hours ago|||
I don't think it's about giving credit at all.
Brian_K_White 3 hours ago|||
This just means that you don't percieve any difference, not that there is no difference.
Ar-Curunir 5 hours ago|||
I don’t think that’s true. True masters will create works that enable additional interpretations, perhaps beyond or even contradictory to those intended by the original authors. I doubt 50 Shades of Grey enables such a multitude of additional interpretations.
AnimalMuppet 6 hours ago||
I strongly disagree. Sure, I can say story X is about Y, for any arbitrary Y.

But take Hamlet, for example. You can say that it's about revenge destroying the one who takes it. Or you could say it's about failing to seize the moment ultimately making you pay a much higher price. Or you could say it's about insanity, and whether sane people are insane and insane people are sane. And none of those is wrong!

You could even say it's about how tedious it is to have to listen to pompous old windbags, and you'd be at least partially right.

But if you said it was about body thetans, then no, you are objectively wrong. There is no honest reading of Hamlet that reaches that conclusion.

"Thickness" is giving authors credit for things they didn't write, but they did leave breadcrumbs for. That's different from "they didn't write it at all", and it's also different from "I didn't look for breadcrumbs, so I didn't see them".

Here's an example: The song "Welcome to the Future", by Brad Paisley, the third verse says:

  I had a friend in school
  Running back on the football team.
  They burned a cross in his front yard
  For asking out the homecoming queen.
  I thought about him today
  And everybody who'd seen what he'd seen
  From a woman on a bus
  To a man with a dream.
That verse is thick. There are breadcrumbs all over the place, trails leading to things that the author did not say. And yet he did say them, through the breadcrumbs.