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Posted by kareiva 1 day ago

A joke domain purchase turned in geopolitical warfare(sprocketfox.io)
919 points | 146 commentspage 2
voxleone 19 hours ago|
The author’s concern about keeping the infrastructure decentralized is pretty understandable, not just from a censorship/open-data perspective, but also from a security perspective: you don't want one server, or one person, to become an obvious target.
moffkalast 4 hours ago||
I think in this sort of case it's more likely that the one person loses interest in the hobby (or time for it) and leaves it unmaintained than anything else, but yes.
webdoodle 17 hours ago||
2 is 1, one is none. I hope they do regular backups too.
jakzurr 14 hours ago||
Does the title mean, "...turned into..."?

That is, should it be "A joke domain purchase turned into geopolitical warfare"

Anyway, fascinating reading.

justsid 14 hours ago|
Yeah the title reads quite weird, but I would think “turned up” instead of “turned into”. The domain didn’t cause geopolitical war after all.
socketcluster 13 hours ago||
I enjoyed reading this. It has a "butterfly effect" kind of vibe how such a random trivial-sounding pursuit can lead to something consequential. It's also mind-opening to realize how many strange human activities are happening in the background.
aghuang 20 hours ago||
This really escalated amusingly. Some things just write themselves.
mschuster91 21 hours ago||
> Meanwhile (and you might have noticed me asking for AWS help on fedi) we contacted AWS as the source IP was from an AWS network. It was very important however to make sure the AWS support did not shutdown access.

I'm legitimately impressed that whoever got that ticket on AWS side actually followed through and was able to divert from their script...

frenchtoast8 17 hours ago||
When AWS suspects malicious usage in my experience they usually ask before shutting you down.

The company I work at got one of these emails from AWS. We had a bug which caused us to hit a 3rd party API much more than we should have, and the service provider reported us to AWS for attempted DDoS. AWS just asked us to give our side of the story. I'm sure that being a large (but not enterprise) customer gives us some leeway, but I've also heard similar things from hobbyists.

There are exceptions if you are a fairly new account, or if you operate in certain low reputation regions. Specifically I have heard regions in Africa tend to get the "shoot first ask questions later" treatment from AWS Support.

However, all of this was before 2026 (when AWS Support seems to have 100% turned over to AI). For all I know their actions might look completely different now.

inigyou 5 hours ago|||
Did you know several service providers automatically suspend service based on a single unverified report from a pseudonymous account on AbuseIPDB? Make of that what you will.
jamesfinlayson 6 hours ago|||
I think I still get a human (working for big enterprise company) but it's almost guaranteed that the first response will be useless.
unregistereddev 21 hours ago||
Ditto. My experience with AWS support has been generally disappointing.
sellmesoap 14 hours ago||
You just have to project life and death into your request and bobs your uncle!
doodlebugging 20 hours ago||
I was one of the data points in that spike related to the Chinese balloon incident though that is not the first time I used sondehub. A couple years before that incident I found the site while trying to help someone understand what they were seeing in the sky near where they live.

An old dopehead, friend-of-a-friend was paranoid that they were being surveilled by aliens in UFOs, something they could assure you had been happening since the 1970's. Not coincidentally I'm sure, that's when they were a young dopehead. While outwardly funny to most of us, it was a serious issue for them. To help them understand all the shiny things in the sky at night I assembled a list of tools that could help them rule out various terrestrial sources for the shiny things. Stellaris or Celestia could help them identify stars and constellations, even showing them what the sky should look like at their exact location so they could compare in real time. They could also use their digital camera (after instructions on how to take low light photos that show stars) to take photos and later compare those photos to stars and planets that would've been visible when the photo was taken. I pointed them at Flightradar24 and FlightAware for air traffic and recommended they get a license instead of the free version so they could track more things better. They weren't close to an active military base but using either or both of those could help rule out military air traffic when the pilots were flying and broadcasting ADS-B.

Since many UFOs in the historical record were blamed on weather balloons I looked around for a way to find weather balloons visible in your area and that is when I found sondehub. The ability to see the balloon track was especially useful since I explained how objects at high altitudes could be visible even if they are hundreds of miles distant when you have a clear line of sight so the balloon doesn't need to be between them and the horizon. It only needed to be visible above the horizon and using the tools they could rule out quite a few things. Around the same time people were posting great photos of sprites associated with powerful thunderstorms well over the horizon so this helped them understand that shiny things in the sky are not necessarily close to them. I also used HeavensAbove to help them track known satellites and the ISS. Having them see the ISS cross the sky at their location a little after dark helped them understand why a bright light crossing the sky can quickly disappear once the concept of the earth's shadow was clear. It was nice and bright while sunlit and winked out as soon as it passed into shadow. I gave them links to astronomy sites so they could know when to expect meteor showers and other celestial phenomena.

All in all, they got a nice collection of tools, freely available, that they could use to understand why there were sparkly, shiny things in their sky. I haven't yet had confirmation that any of those sparkly, shiny things could not be explained using those tools.

Thanks for this link.

jsrcout 7 hours ago|
That's really going above and beyond. Hope it helped them.
initramfs 18 hours ago||
I've only read the first few paragraphs but I've noticed a narrative issue. I might be the only person to have this peeve, but when introducing a story to non technical and even technical readers, it's always clearer to introduce which website is not theirs and which website is theirs. It's written in a 3rd person perspective that doesn't take ownership of the websites.

"Only Melbourne and Adelaide radiosondes (the transmitter on weather balloons) were being tracked on a website called Habhub - high altitude ballooning hub."

Ok, I can infer that habhub probably isn't the speaker's website.

"A query parameter could be added to the URL to remove the filter and on 12th of May 2018 sondehub.org registered with a single purpose - a URL redirect to Habhub with a radiosonde specific filter."

Ok, I can infer sondehub was set up by a jokey duo or group of weather balloon hobbyists.

But it's really annoying reading and doubting this because I'm not 100% sure that the speaker is actually the domain creator of sondehub.

You can say "we registered sondehub" or "I registered sondehub.org." Poor journalists use this passive voice sometimes. "Something happened. A source said..." Unless you're protecting a source, you can say who said what, and what caused something to happen.

So I stopped reading, and wrote this comment.

MasanskY01 39 minutes ago||
Unfortunately I’m in the same boat with you. I’m not a native English speaker myself and had real issues understanding parts of this in itself funny narrative. I could not follow much of the logic and the multitude of missing words or otherwise incomplete sentences didn't help either.
SamBam 18 hours ago||
I think the author isn't a native English speaker? Either that or the writing is just a bit confusing at times, a lot of sentence fragments.

> We poke their website to see - sure enough they are - an angry email to them.

In general it was easy enough to understand the stories, though

initramfs 17 hours ago||
Right, it's a small little intro that goes a long way.

I checked the habhub website and found this blurb: "habhub is the home of high altitude ballooning tools developed by UKHAS, and the SondeHub team. The habitat database was retired in 2022, replaced by the SondeHub database and tracker."

This intro was also quite helpful, which I found on the Sondehub github page:

https://github.com/projecthorus/sondehub-amateur-tracker/wik...

"SondeHub started out in 2019 as a database and mapping system for tracking meteorological radiosondes. It's hosted in Amazon Web Services, so it is scalable and reliable (though does cost more to run...). SondeHub is run by a small team lead by x, y and is currently funded through Patreon Sponsors and a grant from Amateur Radio Digital Communications. SondeHub handles many millions of radiosonde telemetry packets a day, with telemetry contributed by over 700 unique receiver stations."

I didn't include the names because it wasn't the purpose of the comment, just a nice way to introduce the story.

I understand that the habhhub shutdown is part of the story that they later reveal, and now folded into/adapted into Sondehub:

"HabHub, the Habitat database, and associated utilities have been hosted on a server donated by Nevis (name) since 2011. However, due to ongoing issues with server maintenance and rising power prices, continued hosting has become untenable. In addition to this, the software behind the Habitat servers has become extremely difficult to maintain, and a very large amount of work would be required to port it to a more modern operating system."

eqvinox 19 hours ago||
> Meteolabor AG

> climate hoax

Once again, the Swiss are confirming their image as the most US-like country in Europe :'(

omoikane 14 hours ago|
I like how a website for tracking balloons escalated into critical infrastructure. Reminds me of 99 Red Balloons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99_Luftballons

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