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Posted by __fst__ 21 hours ago

Casio F-B100W-1A(www.casio.com)
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low_tech_punk 10 hours ago|
I started browsing the UK catalog and found a PAC-MAN edition: https://www.casio.com/uk/watches/casio/product.CA-53WPC-1B/
parl_match 20 hours ago||
i love the product design aspect of a product that only needs to have one thing set (in this case, the time zone), to be eternally a functional device

which is why i love gshocks, both for design but also specifically the ones with tough solar/multiband 6 (and bluetooth (optional))

they have battery lives in the range of decades (due to solar charging), set themselves (multiband 6 is using atomic clock radio signals) and via bluetooth

you can get gw-b5600-2 and gw-s5600u (auto backlight) for under $200, but usually closer to $100. there are many more models, of course

that sounds expensive, but it's insanely durable construction and battery life means it'll be the only digital watch you'll ever need to buy. and the only configuration it will ever need is the time zone.

retired 7 hours ago|
Solar batteries typically last between 10 and 20 years depending on usage. They are very expensive unfortunately. Regular batteries are a better deal.
parl_match 6 hours ago||
The batteries the gshocks use goes for about $15 or less.

Regular batteries may be a better deal but that doesn't include the process of opening the watch, replacing the battery, and then resealing the case.

I'll trade $15 and a 15 minute job once every 15 years for a 15 minute job every 5 years. And no watch with a regular battery will have auto-backlight (for the obvious reason).

And also... if you want a deal, don't buy a $100 watch with auto backlight, capable of setting its own time off of a radio, and capable of ringing your phone when you can't find it.

F91W will do! That's why they're so popular!

retired 4 hours ago||
I service my watches every five years to keep them waterproof. And at that point I always replace the $1 battery, regardless of its condition. That way my watches are always operational.
muhammadusman 19 hours ago||
would some Casio/watch expert know if it's possible to replace the face plate on these watches? I love the simplicity but I don't like all the text outside the watch itself like "Step tracker" and "Water Resist".
discreteevent 15 hours ago||
You could look at these two which are the original f-91 with minimal faceplate. I have the second one and I like it a lot.

https://www.casio.com/europe/watches/casio/product.F-91WB-1A...

https://www.casio.com/europe/watches/casio/product.F-91WB-8A...

magarnicle 14 hours ago|||
https://www.nocturnaltime.com

For example, there is a "text removal" option on this one: https://www.nocturnaltime.com/shop/p/obsidian-casio-watch-ws...

theokrueger 19 hours ago|||
the face decal is printed on the inside of the crystal (plastic). it can be removed with solvent and replaced if you find/make a replacement.
edsimpson 15 hours ago|||
I am with you, I love the anesthetics of a Casio but hate how the face has so much text.
trvz 19 hours ago||
I think the appropriate way in this case is to cover it up with black tape.
oliwarner 20 hours ago||
How are they getting 2 years on a CR2016? Is that with step tracking and Bluetooth disabled?
ncruces 19 hours ago||
Bluetooth is watch initiated, and only turns on 4 times a day (or when the user explicitly requests it with a button press). The pedometer is probably a special chip.

You should compare this with the F-91W that gets 7 years on the same battery, and hobbyist hardware mods that get years out of the same battery running ARM chips.

woodson 17 hours ago||
To be fair, the hobbyist hardware mod variants that do step tracking only last for days, not years AFAIK.
jubilanti 19 hours ago|||
Nice thing about BLE is that it can be really cheap and stateless, you don't need to keep polling. If it was sending each and every step count to the watch (or even every minute) that would be one thing, but a semi-daily sync for time and steps could easily fit in one BLE packet.

My little temperature and humidity sensors that show an LCD 2x the surface area of a watch and broadcast a BLE packet every minute lasts about 12 months on a CR2032 (~200mah). A CR2016 is ~90mah little less than half. And receiving a BLE packet takes way less energy than sending.

Then you have the on-demand stuff that costs a packet or two, like the lost phone finder -- which is what I'm most excited about.

z2 19 hours ago||
I had the same thought--speculating, perhaps it's like you say and we'll see a disclosure somewhere that it's "Up to 2 years, with 1 weekly Bluetooth pairing, 1 second of backlight use per day, no step counter."

Though, the CR2016 is a pretty big battery vs typical watch batteries, and in some other Casio watches are used as 10-year batteries.

minusLik 18 hours ago||
I doubt that, I have a ABL-100 and its step counter cannot be turned off. It even beeps at you when you sit on your butt for too long.

However, the manual recommends to be sparing with the backlight.

dgellow 18 hours ago||
If you want to retrofit your existing watch: https://www.olleewatch.com/

I got one earlier this year, pretty awesome project!

solarized 10 hours ago||
My favourite ’90s wristwatch. battery lifetime just amazing.

I haven’t worn wristwatch anymore, since the dawn of smart phones. All my time information has moved into that, in my pocket. That’s my only dependency.

emsign 2 hours ago||
> A built-in motion sensor automatically tracks your daily steps, with your step count displayed on the LCD screen. Pair with your smartphone via Bluetooth® for automatic time adjustment and easy access to watch settings through the app.

I see and I was wondering why they sold it for £55 only. They collect and sell your personal data.

I'm happy with my original one, thanks.

Someone1234 20 hours ago||
Here is a fun fact; the US believes owning and wearing an F-91W is evidence that you're a terrorist so much so that they can place you in Guantanamo Bay without trial[0]:

> In a handful of cases the detainee's possession of a Casio watch or the wearing olive-drab clothing is cited as evidence that the detainee is an enemy combatant. No basis is given to explain why such evidence makes the detainee an enemy combatant.

This is also noted on the F-91W's Wikipedia page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casio_F-91W#Usage_in_terrorism

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seton_Hall_reports#Detainees'_...

Papazsazsa 19 hours ago||
It's not quite as simple as "if you have one of these you're a terrorist" of course; it's one indicator based on long-standing patterns, but never used as sole proof.

AQ training/bomb-making manuals from the 1990s–2000s recommend cheap, reliable digital watches like this as timers for IEDs as they're extremely inexpensive and widely available worldwide, durable, water resistant, and easy to modify as delay timers.

Often these guys would get picked up with two or more watches of the same model, for example. We recovered them in bomb-making facilities and on fighters throughout the GWOT. Ramzi Yousef (Philippine Airlines Flight 434) and Ahmed Ressam (the 'Millennium Bomber') both had them.

amiga386 19 hours ago|||
How many watches did Khalid El-Masri have?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri

> Khaled El-Masri is a German, Lebanese and French citizen who was mistakenly abducted by the Macedonian police in 2003, and handed over to the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

> While in CIA custody, he was flown to Afghanistan, where he was held at a black site and routinely interrogated, beaten, strip-searched, raped, and subjected to other forms of torture.

> After El-Masri held hunger strikes, and was detained for four months in the "Salt Pit", the CIA admitted his arrest was a mistake and released him.

Trick question! It was actually that his name is one letter away from someone else's name, and some manager in the CIA had "a hunch":

> At the end of 2003, El-Masri travelled from his home in Ulm to go on a short vacation in Skopje. He was detained by Macedonian border officials on 31 December 2003, because his name was identical (except for variations in Roman transliteration) to that of Khalid al-Masri, who was being sought as an alleged mentor to the al-Qaeda Hamburg cell, and because of suspicion that El-Masri's German passport was a forgery.

> CIA agents discussed whether to remove El-Masri from Macedonia through an extraordinary rendition. The decision to do so was made by the head of the al Qaeda division of the CIA's Counter-Terrorism Center, Alfreda Frances Bikowsky, on the basis of "a hunch" that El-Masri was involved in terrorism; his name was similar to suspected terrorist Khalid al-Masri.

> When the Macedonian officials released El-Masri on 23 January 2004, American security officers immediately kidnapped him. El-Masri later described them as members of a "black snatch team." They beat him and sedated him for transport using a rectal suppository. "The CIA stripped, hooded, shackled and sodomized el-Masri with a suppository—in CIA parlance, subjected him to "capture shock"—as Macedonian officials stood by."

teachrdan 19 hours ago||||
> Ramzi Yousef (Philippine Airlines Flight 434) and Ahmed Ressam (the 'Millennium Bomber') both had them.

This is like a statistics 101 question. Google says that Casio has sold over 100M F-91W's since 1989. Let's round down to an average of 2.5M a year, or 25M over the 10 peak years of the global war on terror (GWOT).

You named two terrorists who wore them. Let's say that's an understatement by 200X. Some quick math shows that the percent of terrorists who wore F-91W's is 400/25000000 = 0.0016% positive rate, or conversely a 99.9984% false positive rate. Not good!

Now I never actually took a statistics class, so maybe I got this question wrong. But it's obvious that using the possession of an F-91W as a sign of being a terrorist is a mistake.

hknceykbx 17 hours ago|||
Well, your argument might be valid but calculation of course has nothing remotely to do with truth. If we’re talking about the US, person has to be in the US/travel to US. That dramatically cuts down the amount from 25M. Second - the person has to be.. how do I put it, non white? Probably muslim. That also cuts it down by far. I can believe that people who fall in these two categories might have some subcultural groups. And in most of them they might just.. not wear Casio watches. It’s not like probability of wearing/not wearing Casio watches is equally likely for every person on earth. They have their target groups.
rotringlvr 17 hours ago|||
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echoangle 20 hours ago|||
The wording doesn’t seem to me like owning the watch was the only evidence and that was enough to put people in Guantanamo, it sounds to me like it was a contributing factor. Still a bit crazy but I don’t think they just arrested everyone with this watch.
dzonga 19 hours ago|||
> In a handful of cases the detainee's possession of a Casio watch or the wearing olive-drab clothing is cited as evidence that the detainee is an enemy combatant. No basis is given to explain why such evidence makes the detainee an enemy combatant.
kakacik 20 hours ago|||
I guess Toyota Hilux drivers are next in line with similar smart rules
m463 20 hours ago||
Well America doesn't get those, so makes sense.

(they did have one called "pickup")

olyjohn 19 hours ago||
How does the Tacoma differ from the Hilux? I know there are some slight styling and engine differences for different markets, but pretty sure its still mostly a Hilux.
kevin_thibedeau 19 hours ago|||
Hilux has leaf springs and significantly higher payload capacity for technical mounts. You can uparmor a Hilux. Taco will break.
selectodude 18 hours ago|||
It's the same body with worse everything else.
chrisco255 20 hours ago|||
And yet they remain so popular, curious how an egregious claim completely contrasts with reality.
ourmandave 19 hours ago|||
...evidence that you're a terrorist

Or more recently, to some officials, showing up at a No Kings rally.

sandworm101 18 hours ago|||
The western obssession with wrist watches popularized the mujahedin insult: "You have the watches, we have the time."
majorchord 19 hours ago||
> the US believes owning and wearing an F-91W is evidence that you're a terrorist

No they don't, please don't spread misinformation. If this were true, the watch itself would be banned in the country and/or nobody would sell it.

Your own source says the Pentagon refuted the author's claims because they did not have access to classified information, which I believe would suggest that there is more to the story than merely owning a very common watch and nothing else. Otherwise millions of innocent Americans would be in jail.

There is a very, very good reason this was only "in a handful of cases" and never again.

crims0n 19 hours ago||
One of those reasons being you can walk into any Walmart across the country and walk out with one for about $22 USD.
barrystaes 5 hours ago||
Best feature of old Casio products is they do NOT have RF (wifi/bluetooth) , but (sadly) this one has listed bluetooth and app as a feature.

I have seen (Xiaomi) smartwatches that wont allow setting the time without an app (asking to many permissions, and forcing cloud accounts) installed on a linked phone. facepalm

Segv77 11 hours ago|
Casio figured out that cheap and durable isn't a contradiction. Thirty years later the F-91W still sells because it just works.
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