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Posted by rvz 20 hours ago

OpenRouter is joining Stripe(openrouter.ai)
Previously: Stripe will reportedly acquire OpenRouter for $7B+ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49323381
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drob518 20 hours ago|
Hm. This seems random. Other than the fact that they are both technology companies, is there anything else that they have in common?
computomatic 19 hours ago||
Stripe is positioning themselves as one of the leading adopters of AI internally. I don't know of public stats but I estimate they're spending on the order of $millions per week on tokens. I assume they've adopted Openrouter and the majority of that spend is going via Openrouter. So they understand the product value, they understand the current gaps, and there's also a threat mitigation. They've likely become very dependent on Openrouter and someone is going to buy it - so they may as well negate the risk to that. (Threat mitigation alone is not worth $7B but it justifies a certain premium.)

They also have very complementary problems and skills. The long-term roadmap for routers is auto-routing; that is, turning traffic into signals into automated decisions. Stripe has a lot of overlapping talent and experience from fraud-detection and likely other products.

computomatic 12 hours ago||
Follow-up: Somehow in all that I forgot the most obvious pairing. Stripe wants to solve how agents pay for things. They’ve been quite open about this. Seems obvious that any solution to that is going to be through the model platform layer - so they just bought a major platform layer.
qurren 19 hours ago|||
Stripe execs said "we should own some AI"

Founders found out that they could finally afford to pay their medical, tax, housing bills if they said yes

OtherShrezzing 19 hours ago|||
One-to-many implementation. Stripe is one api to every bank. Openrouter is one api to every language model.
deely3 19 hours ago|||
And... How do they combine? I really curious.
leros 18 hours ago|||
Their business models are actually kind of similar. Stripe is just passing money between financial institutions and taking a small cut. OpenRouter is basically the same thing. They might have shared ability on how to run an effective pass through business.
drob518 17 hours ago||
So… they’re both middlemen. And that’s enough to justify a $7B acquisition???
leros 17 hours ago||
Apparently. The price does seem high, but the value of a company is based on it's finances. You could argue companies like Google are just middlemen too.
porridgeraisin 19 hours ago|||
My read: The thesis is that token spend is going to be one of the larger input costs to a business in the future. They want token economics to happen on their platform so that the commission that comes out of all of this goes to them. It is not enough that openrouter uses stripe exclusively to interact with banks, since the transactions are expected to not just be tokens for dollars, but tokens for tokens or tokens for specific stablecoins tied to tokens. One of the value adds of stripe is their policy and monitoring layer. With tokens, the polices and monitoring will happen in token-land primarily, not in dollars-land. So if you want to continue demanding commission for those types of things, you have to be able to execute policies on tokens. Tokens can of course be variably priced - I am not claiming # tokens itself has the same value across providers.

The platform also has another value that is not mentioned often. People often mention the devex, which is consumer value. But one of the main things about open router is that they help model providers access a massive distribution channel with smooth demand, as with any aggregator. Similar to the value food delivery apps provide to restaurants. As such, this type of marketplace power has the potential to allow them to charge model providers commissions as well for various services in the future. You can already almost imagine an "auto mode" where they balance improvements to cx (say right sized models for tasks, saving u money) with "ad"/preferential treatment promises tomodel providers. Basically, all the typical middleman stuff.

One of the other companies in this space, ramp, has also started their own router at router.com. See https://x.com/tryramp/status/2090146780512227825

Quoting their rumored leaked investor letter dated Aug 19 26 below:

Zooming out, we see capital and intelligence are becoming the two digital flows undergirding every business. Up until now, every developer has needed a straightforward and reliable way to manage their revenue pipeline, and serving this need gave rise to Stripe. Going forward, however, every developer will also need a straightforward and reliable way to manage their intelligence pipeline. This observation first led us to OpenRouter. OpenRouter has built the world's largest and most trusted token routing engine, supporting all major models and providers, and beloved by its customers....We think that there are deeper reasons to pursue integration besides convenience. Our experience in working with our customers has led us to realize that intelligence is special: it is expensive, heterogeneous, and constantly changing. As with financial capital, businesses must reason about cost and return of every unit in a deliberate and granular way. How valuable is this task? With which models can it be best handled? Who will pay, and when, and what is the time-value of that delay? We have seen the parallels between managing intelligence and managing capital directly in our own products. Radar, for example, was initially designed to prevent financial fraud, but is proving extremely effective at guarding against token fraud at many of the world's largest A1 companies. Metronome (used by Anthropic, Nvidia, and other industry leaders) is showing that metered billing in an AI context is inseparable from token serving and consumption itself.

znnajdla 20 hours ago|||
Both are the most popular developer api in their space.
solidasparagus 19 hours ago|||
One of the main real values of OpenRouter is that it is a single payment relationship for users that enables access to many downstream vendors. I'm not super convinced it is a good purchase, but right now OpenRouter is the financial middleman for token spend. It is also the centralization point for tokens, allowing for value-add features that are industry-wide, for example budgets - and I think that structure has parallels to Stripe products like Checkout or Identity.
m12k 17 hours ago|||
Stripe has a lot of money, but not a lot of AI-buzzword compliance. OpenRouter is highly AI-buzzword compliant, but doesn't have a lot of money. It's a match made in heaven
swatcoder 19 hours ago|||
In the event that the AI bubble doesn't burst, Stripe needs to have a stake in whatever's coming. They have time to explore and pursue specific strategies, but they just needed to make some big and compatible buy.

In this particular case, OpenRouter represents a M x N bridging and enhancement layer much like Stripe themselves, and so must address a lot of parallel technical, dealmaking, accounting, and legal challenges.

It may not be obvious on the surface because they seem to be working in such different domain, but they have to address a lot of the same problems in comparable ways and that makes it a pretty darn good fit.

verdverm 19 hours ago|||
Taking a % cut on top of every operation
lukewarm707 17 hours ago|||
greed
Taikhoom10 19 hours ago||
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upheaval7276 19 hours ago||
please stop subjecting us to your Ai slop articles
thataccount 17 hours ago||
Oh joy! Stripe is getting to be an even larger beast! Happy day!
giarc 16 hours ago|
That's either sarcasm as you are not a fan of Stripe, or actual joy if you are an employee of Stripe holding stock.
rrmdp 16 hours ago||
Pardon my ignorance but...

why is OpenRouter worth 7 billion dollars?

frogperson 15 hours ago|
Well Stripe is owned by Thiel, I'm sure there is some nefarious reason he wants to see everyone's chat history.
rew0rk 19 hours ago||
I am somewhat mixed on this, I feel though having it be part of Stripe will make it easier to sell to my leadership as "More Trustworthy" than having it by itself
dudu24 19 hours ago||
What's with naming proprietary stuff "open"?
teraflop 19 hours ago||
Clearly these products are being named by topologists, who have no objection to things being simultaneously open and closed.
_joel 19 hours ago||
Schrödinger's Product
thesdev 19 hours ago|||
It's following the open closed principle.
Anoian 19 hours ago||
Its sad that you gotta be a software engineer, to immediately get this joke, because its pretty good
impulser_ 19 hours ago|||
It could be open in the literally sense of you aren't locked in, you have free access to any model you want.

Just because a name has open in it doesn't mean it has to be open source.

thih9 19 hours ago|||
It’s an AI era buzzword. It’s not a new process, e.g. when blockchain was trendy, “crypto-“ and “bit-“ became similarly popular and meaningless.
subscribed 19 hours ago|||
"Open" is a load bearing reference we all get :p
redlewel 19 hours ago|||
blame openai they started it
echelon 19 hours ago||
Would "OpenSourceRouter" be a trademark violation?

I've built one in Rust and want to market it.

Pet_Ant 19 hours ago||
Not if you’re in a different domain, then it cannot be claimed to confuse customers.

So if it’s a network router or a woodworking router, then you’re good.

I can sells of red socks, and white socks, without getting sued by Chicago or Boston.

If it’s in the same space… you might want to contact a lawyer. I believe Firefox had conflicts with earlier names like Phoenix and FireBird and they weren’t even browsers.

TechSquidTV 19 hours ago||
7 million would sound fair to me. 7 billion? Explain yourself.
nateb2022 19 hours ago||
OpenRouter already takes in around $140M in yearly revenue. How would paying 5% of yearly revenue make any sense for an acquisition??
Dylan16807 19 hours ago|||
> How would paying 5% of yearly revenue make any sense for an acquisition??

50x revenue is also a crazy number. I wonder what happens more, companies selling for ≤5% revenue or companies selling for ≥50x revenue.

leros 18 hours ago|||
10% would be more typical. Perhaps the math is that OpenRouter inside Stripe makes it twice as valuable. You often see acquisitions priced on the value of the company post-acquisition.
sneilan1 19 hours ago|||
The 7 billion figure is not just open router's current value. It's also including part of it's projected value in the future. So that 7 billion includes current value + value say 5-10 years out.
mfld 17 hours ago|||
Remember when Google acquired YouTube for $1.6B in 2006? That amount seemed ridiculous at the time. Its now peanuts compared to YouTube's yearly revenue.
zmmmmm 16 hours ago|||
Let's just hope the pitch wasn't selling everybody's data for training
Klonoar 17 hours ago|||
2006 called and wants their valuations back.
lukewarm707 17 hours ago||
just imagine that the money isn't real and you're there.
josh2600 15 hours ago||
If you're looking for a privacy protecting version of OpenRouter, my friend Joseph Perla made trustedrouter.com.

It's a pretty slick system and if you're building on openrouter today and are worried about stripe integration messing up the product, this is a good option to consider.

Separately, congrats to the OpenRouter team. They are selling at the right time in what is undoubtably going to become a contentious market.

thedreammachine 12 hours ago||
I love that they won as a remote team and no constant hype about revenue.
sparkling 20 hours ago||
Middleman company buying middleman company. Makes sense.
4d4m 14 hours ago|
Love openrouter, excited for future feature development!
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