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Posted by Akasci 2 hours ago

Watching TikTok and Instagram deactivates the cognitive control network: Study(www.rathbiotaclan.com)
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whatever1 1 hour ago|
I get the TikTok addiction, but before that it was fb, before that was the tv, before that the newspaper/magazines, before that the books, before that table games etc

I don’t know it seems that regardless of the technology the brain needs dozing off from reality.

dgellow 1 hour ago||
You read the newspapers, books, watch a movie: eventually there is an end and you have to do something else

Also, books, TV, board games, newspapers didn’t disappear. So it’s compounded in some ways

fl4regun 1 hour ago|||
I think there is something distinctly unique between dozing off from reality by letting your mind wander or twiddling your thumbs, and scrolling short form video.
bognition 1 hour ago|||
Hmm... this doesn't quite add up. Do we have brain scans showing that critical thinking centers of the brain turn off when people read books or play table games?
GPerson 1 hour ago|||
In my personal experience short form content is easier to get sucked into for hours on end than those other ones and something I’m more likely to regret participating in. (Learning this early I stopped so I’m not the biggest consumer of it and may have an atypical opinion compared to 1-2 billion people actively watching tik tok for hours a day.)
Jtarii 1 hour ago|||
This is just a nonsensically reductive argument.

Reading is obviously healthier than scrolling tiktok.

whatever1 20 minutes ago||
Let’s take this argument to the extreme.

Why reading mein kampf is healthier than looking at random funny videos?

Both are addictive. The one is more dangerous than the other, demonstrably. Don’t get me started on religious books.

dv_dt 1 hour ago|||
Exactly, should the "control regions" being deactivated be something that is activated all the time, or is that associated with burnout, or chronic stress?
chinathrow 1 hour ago|||
"It's not that bad, everything was toxic befor so we can continue as if nothing was bad."
AquilineFeline 1 hour ago|||
Something feels different with the short form, rapid fire stuff, at least to me
wolttam 1 hour ago|||
They are different categories. Brain rot isn’t an imagined thing and we aren’t confused about where it comes from
gunsle 1 hour ago|||
The Reddit tier mental gymnastics on display here to avoid any kind of acknowledgement of the dangers of short form video specifically is impressive.
fsckSociety 1 hour ago||
The hyper normalization on technology fueled escapism is the difference.

Everyone had freedom to pick their poison so to speak. Now? All tech and screen based.

Hyper-social normalization always falls apart. It's unnatural; modern human biology evolved for thousands solving problems mostly in isolation. Tech fueled distribution of material goods humans need to survive is great as it removed risk to biology. But social normalization sucks.

Whether the socialized motive is appease gods by living up to scripture, keep a job/build career make money, or validate it just normalizes people and if we all know the same shit, why discuss anything with them? We already know the same shit.

tamimio 53 minutes ago||
I don’t have tiktok now, but years ago I downloaded it (i think before it was called musically), I used it for a day or two, and I remember after an hour or so of using it I get nauseous like how you might get on a boat, not severe enough to puke but still not comfy that you need to go for a walk or something to feel better. I deleted it and never used it again. And I don’t use any mainstream social media either since all bow have these shorts, if it’s not text based like rss or hn, it will be YouTube on videos at least 20min duration.
EA-3167 1 hour ago||
The brain is incredibly energy hungry so it evolved to detect situations that don’t require full attention and activates the Default Mode Network. This happens when you’re zoning out to pretty much anything, and indicates that you’re essentially in “low power mode”.

My question here is whether the framing of the content in question “shutting off brain regions” is an honest one compared to what I said above. fMRI is amazing to be sure, but what it tells us is limited.

So without endorsing crap content on any way, I’m very skeptical of this article’s conclusions based on the study in question.

sva_ 1 hour ago||
This "low power mode" is a myth, the brain pulls a pretty constant amount of power (about 20% of metabolic energy), and most power isn't consumed by the action potential/neurons firing, but rather in keeping the neuron ready to fire.

And the regions involved in the default mode network are actually some of the metabolically most active regions in the brain, involved in memory consolidation, future simulation, theory of mind, and self-narrative; among other things.

EA-3167 54 minutes ago||
It’s not that simple.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.08.12.503715v1

It’s task-specific.

mapkkk 1 hour ago|||
I would postulate that it's even worse than this, given that default mode network activity is proven to be essential for a healthy mind. This is when engage in useful thinking even when we're not "doing anything".

I think screen activity/tiktok keeps us in some kind of purgatory where we can neither fully engage nor fully disengage.

im3w1l 1 hour ago|||
This framing seems like the correct one, but I think that just like being physically sedentary leads to weakness of muscles and joints and health problems, so being mentally sedentary could also lead to a mind that is weakened in the long term, though the weakness could likely be reversed with exposure to exercise.
EA-3167 1 hour ago||
Now this I can agree with unreservedly.
thin_carapace 1 hour ago||
the article does note:

"The researchers caution against reading the deactivation as evidence of impaired cognitive function. As they put it in the paper, “this deactivation should not be interpreted as a failure of cognitive control capacity.” Instead, the team argues the pattern likely reflects an adaptive shift toward low-effort, automatic processing during passive, low-conflict viewing."

my take: if the study authors could qualify a subject's liked videos, they could qualify a subject's liked activities, and study activation thresholds prior to and post short form content exposure. this would provide a better substrate from which to draw such conclusions.

but I don't need a study to tell me that short form content fries the brain ... it fries my brain!

holoduke 1 hour ago||
Today I found out that half my traffic on my apps are coming from bots. I am considering leaving the online world. Its becoming a hostile unpleasant place. This article report only fuels my devotion.
eqmvii 1 hour ago||
hell yeah it does, feels nice at the end of a long day
woodpanel 1 hour ago||
Worthwhile to note that “TikTok” here just means the format, not the platform. YouTube has its “shorts”, Facebook, insta, X, et all engage heavily in milking your doom scrolled eyeballs for time and profit.
zetazzed 1 hour ago||
I uninstalled basically all of these EXCEPT youtube, and that's what I struggle with sometimes now. I find so much great long- and medium-form content on Youtube that I want to keep it around. But I have to admit that I can sometimes fall down a time-wasting rabbit hole with shorts.

The Youtube app now has a "shorts feed limit" under "time management" that will limit your access to the auto-scroll shorts feed to a certain amount per day. Worth checking out!

GPerson 1 hour ago|||
By putting AI into every product I think Google has made a tactical error on YouTube, since the “summarize it this video” feature is helping me spend far less time watching rage bait political content.
Jtarii 1 hour ago|||
Youtube is the only platform that has the potential to be actually positive for your life, which makes it hard to get rid of.
kittikitti 1 hour ago|||
Yes, they don't even mention TikTok from the actual paper. It's a short form video app they custom created.
sva_ 1 hour ago||
It is a proprietary eponym.
thin_carapace 2 hours ago||
the linked study effectively drills down on aspects of previous work ...

"High-frequency SFV [short form video] use was consistently associated with attentional disruption, reduced executive functioning, and emotional dysregulation."

"Neuroimaging results revealed reduced activation in the Dorsolateral Prefrontal Cortex (DLPFC) and Anterior Cingulate Cortex (ACC) regions ... when participants viewed personalised TikTok videos."

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2025.08.27.25334540v...

"(The ACC) is involved in ... higher-level functions, such as attention allocation, reward anticipation, decision-making, impulse control .. and emotion."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anterior_cingulate_cortex

"The DLPFC is ... the highest cortical area that is involved in motor planning, organization and regulation."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorsolateral_prefrontal_cortex

by permitting unlimited short form content and not disallowing child access we are allowing corporations to destroy kids brains. therefore I posit the latest generation has been rendered retarded, which will pose a dire threat to continued stability unless addressed.

Zetaphor 2 hours ago||
It's this generations leaded gasoline and paint
gunsle 1 hour ago||
Absolutely baffling you’re being downvoted lmao. Social media Astro turfing teams working overtime I guess
thin_carapace 1 hour ago||
see below comment by taurath for another great example of the truth being downvoted
zuzululu 2 hours ago||
very worrying study, essentially its a digital->neurochemistry chasm crossing substance that uses the 2 senses.

all more reasons to heavily discourage the usage of short form content , we might require regulations against what is essentially an invisible drug that rapidly replicate and distribute itself among the masses.

gunsle 1 hour ago||
Full social media ban would be easier and more effective imo. Public spaces would come back to life in no time at all if social media was heavily curtailed or banned entirely. This would be an obvious win for everyone involved outside of the terminally online and corporations benefiting from their lack of self control.
thin_carapace 1 hour ago||
define short form content as anything under an arbitrary time threshold, legislate all online providers of short form content to mandate an arbitrary time limit per day for all users, add a law that parents knowingly allowing children to exceed national daily short form content limits are subject to penalty. seems fairly straightforward. but uh, I guess we could all capitulate to giving corporations our biometric data ...
fl4regun 1 hour ago||
I don't think it's straightforward at all. What's considered "short form content".

Just video?

Does just audio count?

Does a gif count?

What if I make a website that uploads videos at 1/10th the speed, and the user plays it back 10x faster so it becomes short form?

What if i make a video aggregator website that pulls from multiple different sources so the user gets around the time limit per day per user?

What if users just make multiple accounts?

I don't think we are legally equipped to deal with this at all.

owisd 11 minutes ago|||
You know any time any legislature proposes anything they have dozens of people involved in months of debates and consultations and reports and committees to go through all of this kind of minutiae to decide where to draw the lines.
Jtarii 1 hour ago||||
It's fairly obvious what "short form content" is in context of discussions around TikTok, Reels, Shorts etc.
f1shy 1 hour ago||||
Let me add, it sound very much like 3D-prohibition for guns. The total demonization of anything, because it could be bad, given certain conditions, is a recipe for disaster. As you say, is extremely difficult to define where are the limits, and the extremely hard to apply the limits without screwing over millions.
fuzzfactor 21 minutes ago||
Don't underestimate the desire some people have to screw over millions rather than merely thousands :(
thin_carapace 1 hour ago||||
study each proposed form of short form content regarding impact on cognitive function and select the most destructive forms for legislation.

if you make a website that provides short form content you are subject. why would an aggregator be excluded?

go ahead and let users make multiple accounts. the current, invalid, answer here is biometric provisioning (done not to protect anything but government and corporate interests). personally I don't care if an adult wants to fry their brain, provided that they have been adequately educated as to the extent of what they are doing to themselves. it's why I included the parental proviso, because protection from brain frying is most important during childhood.

santadays 1 hour ago|||
How about anything that tracks the user's behavior and changes its output based on that behavior specific to that user. If I have a table somewhere in my software that identifies a user and references behavior, not intentional settings, just behavior and that is used to determine what the software does. Make that illegal and a lot of problems go away. To me it is this feedback loop that is insidious.
taurath 1 hour ago|
LLMs and social media is 500+ PHD behavioral psychologists working together to make you do things at any price so they can make as much money as they can - in fact, if they don't try to make as much money as they can, everyone involved will be fired.

To me this is one of the final forms of our current laissez-faire capitalism - we are literally taking away our own agency in the name of "freedom" (of capitalists to maximize returns).

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