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Posted by speckx 3 hours ago

Kagi added a setting for removing paywalled links from search results(kagi.com)
603 points | 215 commentspage 3
tqi 1 hour ago|
Everyone hate paywalls, ads, and aggregators. So what business models are even left? Are we just going to have patron supported echo chambers and propaganda from now on?
JK-Swizzle 57 minutes ago|
I am of the opinion that ads are not inherently bad, just that they have gone too far.

An ad on the sidebar is not an issue. For example the site for Rufus: rufus.ie

The issue is when ads cause trouble loading, autoplay audio, block the content of the website, have fake close buttons… Really anything that prevents a user from using the site for it’s intended purpose.

Things only go stale when the people behind them get greedy. As another user said, micropayments won’t work because the credit card companies take half the money. If some major players were willing to earn a decent profit rather than the optimal profit, stuff would work a lot better on the user end.

imaginationra 1 hour ago||
Just enabled it- Love Kagi!
dethos 2 hours ago||
This is actually an excellent idea. Well done.
agentultra 1 hour ago||
I’d pay for a search engine these days if it meant good results and no AI. Kagi almost fits the bill.

Removing paywalled links is a great feature that any future competitor should pick up!

shahedshah 3 hours ago||
Very useful feature to have. I've not dived into using Kagi just yet, but they may just win me over with this.
sarjann 3 hours ago||
I would like to be able to whitelist some paywall sites, e.g. I have an FT subscription and would like to have that bypass the block.
oriettaxx 2 hours ago||
omg, great really!!!

When will this be available into HN, too ?

john_strinlai 2 hours ago|
>When will this be available into HN, too ?

hn already disallows paywalled links, unless there is an easy/low-effort bypass (noscript, archive link, gift link, etc.).

no-name-here 2 hours ago||
I don't see it offhand in the newsguidelines page nor the submit page? https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/submit

Edit: It's in the newsfaq page https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html per the replies

croemer 2 hours ago|||
Yes here in FAQs:

Are paywalls ok?

It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have workarounds.

In comments, it's ok to ask how to read an article and to help other users do so. But please don't post complaints about paywalls. Those are off topic. More here

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

john_strinlai 2 hours ago|||
it's in https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Are paywalls ok?

It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have workarounds.

in other words, its not ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that do not have workarounds.

oriettaxx 2 hours ago||
uh, I did not know: what I saw, so far, is that paywalled submission appears and then some volunteer would reply with a workaround... (many thanks to them)
john_strinlai 2 hours ago||
>what I saw, so far, is that paywalled submission appears and then some volunteer would reply with a workaround.

right. there is no requirement that the submitter provides the workaround themselves.

the requirement is that a workaround exists. sometimes nice commenters will provide the workaround, but again, the only requirement is that it is possible to workaround the paywall.

oriettaxx 2 hours ago||
ah, great.

Super clear now, thank you.

no-name-here 3 hours ago||
Would the biggest impact of this be for things like news sources? I guess the idea is that ads are preferrable, as ads and paywalls seem to be two of the primary existing ways that such places support themselves (or don't)?
SoftTalker 3 hours ago|
Except for maybe some very local stories, almost all news is available on free sites, or will be shortly once the story breaks.
no-name-here 2 hours ago||
Are we talking a company rewording reporting that a different news company hired 1 or more journalists, etc. to originally report? And in this example, are the sites "free" because ads are enabled?
shevy-java 1 hour ago||
With Google having ruined its search engine, we need alternatives. The more the better. It would be kind of entertaining if Google Search would die (but with viable non-AI alternatives to it that are useful), because then Google's addiction to adMoney would also mean its core identity is now totally different. The Google today has nothing to do with the original Google; it is now basically just a money grab company trying to force ads onto everyone. A soulless and pointless moloch.
swinglock 1 hour ago|
Have they stopped sponsoring terrorism?
emaro 1 hour ago|
Are you talking about Hamas? Israel? I.C.E.? Climate activists? Really hard these days to guess what you're talking about, since anyone is easily accused of terrorism these days. Without context, this is a baseless comment without much value. I'm not even really ask you to clairfy your comment, but I'm asking you to think a bit harder next time and at the bare minimum show up with some concrete facts instead of baseless (political?) accusations.
no_input 43 minutes ago||
I think it is because they are tied to Yandex (or used to be) which is Russian. I don't know how much it directly supports State funded terrorism but it is likely none.
neoromantique 38 minutes ago||
You'd guess wrong, because modern Yandex is essentially Kremlin owned, so it is directly supporting it, not in a huge amount (on account of Kagi being relatively tiny company), but definitely not 'none'.

Also in the discussions about removal or at least asking to make it toggle-able, so users can make sure their requests and money are not forwarded to Russia have been shut off and ridiculed (including staff member saying "our views on the war differ" whatever that meant.

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