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Posted by thepoet 5 hours ago

Kobo can run apps now(bandarlabs.github.io)
316 points | 110 comments
the-grump 3 hours ago|
For the unaware, there is an existing solution that integrates with Kobo's native software (Nickel).

It has been maintained for years, and it supports every Kobo AFAIK.

It's called NickelMenu, and it's great. I'm in the Kobo ecosystem because of NickelMenu and Plato.

One note if you're thinking about getting a kobo due its relative openness: consider getting a two-core device. I did not do my homework and got a Clara BW because I don't want the color display. Later I found out that color is the only one with the two-core CPU.

thepoet 2 hours ago||
Hey, author here. NickelMenu is terrific and Cobalt uses it to show the menu item in the default Kobo menu. It's just that Cobalt and NickelMenu are not the same in terms of project goals.

I created this as I could not find anything existing that gives the capabilities I wanted. I read several things downloaded over web apart from books on my Mac and phone, which I would prefer to do on an eInk display. Search papers on arxiv and read them offline later, Substack, even spending a lot of time on chess puzzles, monitor my Claude/Codex remotely, generate explainer audiobooks and listen to them on my bluetooth speaker etc.

The longer battery and the display makes some use cases really shine and I wanted to create apps for my own Kobo and potentially helpful for others as well.

the-grump 2 hours ago||
I admire and support your effort, but the title makes it sound like you couldn't run apps in the past.

Nickelmenu deserves a mention in the opening paragraph and a differentiation of what this new piece of software brings to the table.

thepoet 1 hour ago||
Thank you for the kind words. I will add a page to the project explaining the differentiation.

NickelMenu is a mature project and perfect at what it does, we just have different goals. NickelMenu is designed to extend Kobo's stock interface. Cobalt is designed to be an app platform like Android has for example. I wanted app creators to just write their app logic and not build things like a UI toolkit for their apps, app lifecycle and rendering support (framebuffer drawing, partial eInk refreshes, touch input handling etc.), bluetooth handling, sensor and more. Anything launched through NickelMenu like KOReader or Plato have to implement these on their own.

AFAIK NickelMenu command actions spawn arbitrary shell cmds that inherit root from Nickel, we avoid it by running apps as separate unprivileged processes with declared capabilities like network, storage, audio, fronlight etc.

I also wanted to provide ability to quickly build apps with the SDK and our simulator to test apps on before putting it on the real device, an app store to get new apps over the WiFi after the initial USB install.

This was more oriented on making my life easier, say I have an app idea that I want on my Kobo tomorrow and how quickly can I bring it live on the device. The 'you can run apps' I wrote was meant to signify anyone can now create apps using the SDK without bothering about the device specific bits and publish them and install it via Cobalt's app store. I hope this clarifies things.

ololobus 2 hours ago|||
I haven’t had a chance to compare side by side, but people say that if you primarily read books/prose, the BW version is better because the screen is more crisp compared to the color version, which is still a bit blurry when you read books. That’s why I ordered BW. Did anyone compare these two side by side in real life for simple text?
mkozlows 4 minutes ago|||
Yes, I replaced a B&W Sage with the Libra Colour, and used them for a bit side-by-side. Contrast (not sharpness) of B&W text is slightly worse with the color one, but not by so much that you'd notice it if you weren't comparing them next to each other. The resolution of actual color is worse, but obviously you can't get color at all on the B&W one, so hard to argue that this is a downgrade.

Unless you're a real contrast freak, I think most people would be slightly happier with the color than the B&W; but it's definitely not worth paying extra for.

SietrixDev 1 hour ago||||
I'm happy with my Kobo Clara Colour. As far as the specs go, both are 300 PPI when displaying black and white. I took a picture of my screen from as close as my phone would allow - the lens was basically touching the e-reader [1]. My eyes can't really focus at this distance anyway, so I can't complain. I don't use the colour screen much, but seeing the book covers in colour is fun for me.

[1] https://imgur.com/a/cszqi0F

johnhamlin 1 hour ago||||
It is maddeningly impossible to get an ereader with all three of these features: b&w screen for maximum crispness; physical buttons for reliable page turns; modern processor for speed.
phainopepla2 1 hour ago|||
Boox Go 7 - B&W version.

It runs Android. It's a Chinese company and comes with a bunch of pre-installed apps, but I just blocked its abilities to phone home and use Koreader. It's been great for me

kbutler 1 hour ago|||
Boox Go 7 BW?

https://goodereader.com/blog/product/onyx-boox-go-7-bw "The Onyx Boox Go 7 is a dedicated e-book reader with a black and white e-paper display. This device has the same specifications and software as the Go 7 Color Gen 2, except that this model doesn’t have a Kaleido 3; instead, it uses the latest generation Carta 1300 e-paper panel, which increases responsiveness. The key selling points of this model are the physical page-turn buttons and Google Android 13, as well as full access to the Play Store. For those of you who want an e-reader that doesn’t lock you into a specific ecosystem, this deserves a look."

(slower by 2 minutes...)

dotancohen 2 hours ago||||
I use a bw Boox device, a colleague has the colour version of the same device. The colour version does not show text more blurry, rather, the contrast is significantly lower. I personally prefer the bw device.
pepperoni_pizza 1 hour ago||||
Yes. I had color Kobo, left it in the airport lounge, and bought BW one as a replacement. It is much better.
ironqcold 1 hour ago|||
I compared. On the color version, the text seems to have a slightly fine mesh or rippled texture. There's no huge difference, but I prefer the black-and-white version
awakeasleep 2 hours ago|||
but also note that a color e-reader will have significantly worse contrast than a black and white model, which negates the usefulness of the device to people like me.
hamdingers 3 hours ago|||
What does the two-core CPU get you? I'm very satisfied with my BW with KOReader, haven't noticed any shortcomings but I only read books on it.
the-grump 3 hours ago|||
I encounter freezes mostly when I enable Bluetooth/wifi. Haven't tried on a multi-core kobo but I imagine the UI thread can keep running there.

When reading, agree on it being more than sufficient.

My recommendation is partially because the price can be identical when they have a sale. That was the case when I got a BW--it was the same price as the color.

I should also mention I run quite a few things on my kobo: boringtun to connect to my home network, a fetcher to sync my books and feeds, Plato and its article fetcher whenever I update my Wallabag articles. I'm beyond pleased with my reader experience. The extra processing power would just be icing on the cake.

hamdingers 2 hours ago||
Ah yeah, mine takes a while to connect to wifi too. I assumed that was just how it was, luckily I do it rarely.

I got the BW over the Color only because I had read the color screen wasn't as sharp, though I've never compared them side by side.

the-grump 2 hours ago||
Likewise. I'd had a Kobo Glo HD for more than 10 years and it was still going strong. I looked at the new color screens and they didn't look as clear to me, though it was a subtle difference. Only got the Clara BW because I wanted to use the BT remote.
charles_f 2 hours ago|||
I do like my BW kobo, but it's on the slow side, even just when switching pages on the stock app ; and that's annoying. Sometimes because it's stuck it doesn't register the page change, and then it will highlight text instead. That's breaking the reading flow and I really hate that.
podgietaru 3 hours ago|||
Also NickelHook, which adds the native hooks into the Nickel application. I used it for intercepting http calls previously
jihadjihad 2 hours ago||
Is it bad that I was disappointed after reading this, hoping for a library that handles callbacks, called NickelBack?
post-it 3 hours ago|||
I also have the Clara BW and haven't done any modding on it but it's been on my todo list. Would you be willing to briefly describe issues you've run into with it?
the-grump 3 hours ago||
0 issues using nickelmenu out of the box.

I recommend enabling ssh (native kobo feature) so it's easier to modify the config without needing to plug in, though obviously this is optional.

If you connect over SSH, I would recommend not touching system files. The new kobos don't have a removable SD card so if you corrupt the system files and it can't boot, you need to either do some PCB surgery or get a new mainboard.

trencedamp 3 hours ago|||
Are there any writing apps? Any way to connect a Bluetooth keyboard? (Or USB)
the-grump 3 hours ago||
KOReader probably lets you edit text files but I only use my kobo to read. Have not tried connecting any external devices.
TheCycoONE 44 minutes ago||
It does. I don't know about bluetooth but it doesn't work with a usb-c keyboard. At least on the Clara BW the experience is bad, as there is a subtantial delay after each keypress and any keys pressed during it are dropped.
jjkaczor 1 hour ago||
Apparently the "Sage" (which is what I have currently) has a quad-core, but Kobo discontinued it. Sigh, too bad - this was my favourite to-date (needs a power-cover though...).
code-blooded 30 minutes ago|||
I have Kobo Sage but it's not a great device.

Very bad battery life. Maybe 8hrs of reading with wifi off, BT off and only low screen backlight. I need to charge it daily or every other day at best.

Physical buttons are comically bad and often don't register presses.

Built-in book reading app is slow, lacks some critical features and hangs in many epub books. I replaced it with KOreader which finally made the device usable.

It's a great screen size though (9" would be even better).

lh7777 43 minutes ago|||
Off topic, but I don't understand Rakuten's current product strategy. They discontinued their two best devices: the 8" Sage and the 7" Libra 2. What's left are two unfortunately sized B&W readers (the tiny 6" Clara and giant 10" Elipsa) and a couple of color readers that no one should buy unless they absolutely NEED color (I've tried them, and the screens look terrible compared to the B&W versions).
mkozlows 2 minutes ago||
I believe that this is your opinion, but my own opinion (having also tried them, and used multiple generations of B&W ones before this) is that the screens look just fine, and that the slight downgrade of contrast isn't a big deal at all.
brailsafe 1 hour ago||
This is something I've considered wanting, and I'm glad it exists, but after some thought it's absolutely not at all what I want my Kobo to do. Much like how I wouldn't bring headphones or a Bluetooth speaker with me on a hike, or a laptop with me camping, I don't even want the option of games or anything other than a good reading experience when I'm using my e-reader. I'd assume this is a redundant take, but I don't even know if my Kobo can produce sounds, and I'd like to keep it that way.

What's tricky is that although I don't want it to be an unconstrained app platform, I do want the ability to integrate with services that host my things to read. Karakeep, RSS, Google Play Books or Internet Archive, etc.. but I think that could be handled in a more narrow fashion.

mattcasmith 26 minutes ago|
I agree. One of the things I love about my Kindle is that it’s a single-use device, functionally equivalent to holding a paperback in my hands. There’s nothing to distract me or tempt me away from reading. Apps would risk breaking that spell.
yoavm 2 hours ago||
FWIW, some Kobos can run PostmarketOS. I built this UI for my Clara - https://www.github.com/bjesus/air . It runs Firefox, Syncthing, KOReader, and basically anything else you can run on Linux.
wbxp99 3 hours ago||
>These are photographs of the device, not simulator captures

Thanks for the clarification Claude

m463 2 hours ago|
is claude the new sherlock?
danilocesar 1 hour ago||
"confubabulating.... You're definetely right"
locusofself 1 hour ago||
It would be very cool to have an Obsidian viewer or something.

On many occasions I have compiled notes, sometimes manually created sometimes LLM curated, and put them into a .epub file to send to my kindle so I can read as I am out walking.

It would be cool to skip a few steps there, and have "live" documents at the ready, particularly in markdown if possible, without having to sync/publish etc

rglover 4 hours ago||
Wow. This is rad, well done. I've been trying to find an alt OS for my Clara Colour and this looks great. Being able to author apps means I can finally add a way to review my highlights/quotes and search them with ease.

Edit: damn, just saw the BW note. It looks like the Clara Colour would be blocked by Cobalt...

the-grump 3 hours ago||
You can already do that. Look into NickelMenu.
mkagenius 4 hours ago|||
I see a recent merge for Elips 2E support, hopefully color gets tested soon
kavith 3 hours ago||
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nocchedure 16 minutes ago||
I suspect it won't be long before we have Anna's / Z-Library fully integrated
Artgor 3 hours ago||
Isn't the whole point of Kindle (or other ebook readers) being able to read books without distractions?
AdmiralAsshat 3 hours ago||
There's a contingent of enthusiasts who, once they find out a device runs Linux or can run Linux, seems determined to expose a terminal on it. I don't know why someone needs to SSH into their toaster, but damned if they're not gonna do it, just because they can.

Me personally, I just want a reliable toaster.

RattlesnakeJake 3 hours ago|||
I always assume it's more for the challenge and accomplishment than anything practical. The results are always neat, but rarely anything you'd actually use for general-purpose computing.
jauntywundrkind 2 hours ago||||
This isn't Normie News! I think you are on the wrong site!

The street finds its own use for things is the excitement that we don't know what is possible, and that we ought be free to try. The amazing suite of software here sure looks like self evident proof about how exciting it is when we can go further, to me. I love the LLM prompt sidekick; super neat as an ambient display.

It's really sad how HN is so vocally anti-hacker, is so conservative, shows up so regularly to declare alliance to anti-possibility, to anti-features. For some people, they don't only fail to be interested, they are expressly anti interested, the only thing they want is for everyone else to have to live as constrained and unexplorarive and unthoughtful as they are. I don't get it. Conservatism is a wicked disease, imo.

Apocryphon 4 minutes ago||
I think the distaste is more against feature bloat. This sub-thread is reacting to dedicated e-readers succumbing to becoming full-fledged app-running devices. Is the refresh rate on an e-ink display even suitable for general computing?

Plus, isn't it fairly old hat to get root access on a Linux consumer device and then running whatever you want on it? Oh, it makes for a neat party trick you could make an Action Retro YouTube video out of. But perhaps people are just jaded since they've seen it done on a million types of devices by now. Maybe there are more interesting ways, and things, to hack.

MYEUHD 2 hours ago|||
Obviously you ssh into your toaster so you can host a website on it, or run DOOM
9dev 55 minutes ago||
What worth is a toaster if it can't run DOOM? What worth is life if you never even find out??
paxys 2 hours ago|||
No, the whole point is the e-ink screen. Kindle has had a web browser since the very first version, and people have managed to read books on it just fine without distractions.
MathMonkeyMan 2 hours ago|||
I went through a whole design phase with ChatGPT on the idea of using an old Kobo as a low-distraction TV remote for my dad. The idea is that it would interface with a computer media server thing, be more legible than a traditional remote, and not be an app on his phone that would immediately send him into his phone.

Ended up being more involved than the benefit it would bring, especially considering that these media server programs know how to interface with the traditional remote over HDMI (if you have the right graphics card or a dongle) and show the selection UI on screen like a smart TV.

Anyway, my response is "you don't necessarily have to complicate your e-reader, instead you have the option of making it not an e-reader."

nottorp 40 minutes ago|||
You can read books on an iPad without distractions just fine. Just turn off all notifications...
BeetleB 2 hours ago|||
Even if you want it for just books, there are benefits to installing things like KOReader (way better ebook reader than the default). This allows you to sync with Calibre, etc.

Years ago, it was practically a hobby of mine to go to my local Goodwill, and find an extremely cheap old used Kobo and find someone to donate it to. Now I'm thinking of getting old Kobos just for the eink display so I can run simple apps on it - while continuing to use my regular Kobo as an ereader.

dotancohen 1 hour ago||
Why use a Kobo for that? Nook and Boox devices run Android - I've run Ankidroid on both those devices.
BeetleB 12 minutes ago||
I guess I could. I recall I was getting used Nooks as cheap as Kobos. Not sure about Boox.

(I'm talking $15 or less).

NewJazz 3 hours ago|||
Some people came for the compact package containing an eink screen, a moderately powered application board, and a reasonable amount of battery and storage. For some, it may be the perfect thin client.
ashu1461 2 hours ago|||
In my personal experience, this can help in case the books are little technical and you have to switch to my laptop/mobile to get more information about the topic, which ends up consuming more time it should.
unethical_ban 3 hours ago||
That's what I want from my e-reader device too. Yet being able to turn a $140 e-ink tablet into a general purpose tool is really neat.
QwenGlazer9000 3 hours ago||
For most of the use cases I would need an app for, koreader's plugin system works just fine for it. You'd be surprised the gems you can find for koreader.
bragr 1 hour ago|
If someone made a Libby client for this, it would essentially be perfect for my uses.
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