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Posted by altmanaltman 4 hours ago

A Kantian Critique of "Sorry" by Justin Bieber(decodingvibes.com)
151 points | 61 commentspage 2
hliyan 1 hour ago|
Surprised this article didn't explain the categorical imperative before appealing to it. Here's my interpretation of it, although some would say that (4) is a utilitarian interpretation(even though it's globally utilitarian) and therefore it is not truly categorical.

(1) We all know that doing what's best for oneself does not count as doing something "good" or "right". Even the worst psychopath or monster will do what is best for themselves. "What benefits me" is not a principle on which to decide how to act morally.

(2) The most basic moral principle might be "do no harm", i.e. you are free to do whatever you want as long as you do not cause others harm. This is something that most normal human beings instinctively recognize as a valid way to decide between good and bad actions. This is the absolute minimum moral compass you must possess in order to participate in civilized society.

(3) One level up is the golden rule, or "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" or treating others the same way you would want to be treated. This is generally recognized by many religions as the gold standard for what it means to be a good human being.

(4) Kant goes one level further. He says, basically: "before you do something, ask yourself: if everyone else in the world did what you're about to do as a matter of course, will it make the world better or worse? If it makes the world worse, then don't do it". This is a very basic formulation of Kant's Categorical Imperative.

daymanstep 1 hour ago|
> Kant goes one level further. He says, basically: "before you do something, ask yourself: if everyone else in the world did what you're about to do as a matter of course, will it make the world better or worse? If it makes the world worse, then don't do it".

This is not the Categorical Imperative. What you're describing is more like Rule Utilitarianism. Kantian ethics is deontological, not consequentialist.

hliyan 1 hour ago||
Hence my qualification at the start. My problem with deontological ethics is that the justification of it abruptly hits an impenetrable wall, i.e. the rule or the duty, unless you appeal to some benefit or prevention of harm to rational beings. Even in the Metaphysics of Morals, the whole concept of duty would be arbitrary if not in reference to rational beings. But happy to be corrected.
woodruffw 1 hour ago||
> Even in the Metaphysics of Morals, the whole concept of duty would be arbitrary if not in reference to rational beings.

In what sense? There's a sense in which there's no moral law without rational agents, but Kant himself is explicit about the "good will" being entirely independent of intended or obtained ends. In other words, no rational agent needs to benefit (or be harmed) in Kant's system for individuals to be morally blameworthy or praiseworthy.

(See GMS 4:394 for the "jewel" analogy, which is most popularly cited as evidence for Kant's position on this.)

xena 2 hours ago||
This is AI generated.
droidjj 2 hours ago||
Is it? I couldn’t tell and I’m pretty sensitive to machine generated text.

Also, the author claims:

> No AI was used to generate the text for this article. The cover image and the voiceover in the audio version of the article is AI-generated. The cover image is made using Google Gemini’s latest image model while the voiceover uses OpenAI’s tts models.

odo1242 2 hours ago|||
I would like, personally, if the image was a stock photo. It being AI feels in poor taste.
TimorousBestie 21 minutes ago||||
> Also, the author claims:

You can slap an arbitrary disclaimer on anything; it doesn’t mean it’s genuine.

assumed_throwaw 2 hours ago|||
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syndacks 54 minutes ago||
100p
num42 2 hours ago||
Good article! Off topic, It reminds me of this:

https://www.bensparks.co.uk/talk/the-sacred-geometry-of-chan...

stcg 2 hours ago||
Fun read! I love the depth in seemingly superficial texts. Sometimes I similarly ponder claims or questions in advertisements.
kundi 2 hours ago||
Good. We can move to Bruno Mars now
m-hodges 2 hours ago|
An Aristotelian Critique of “The Lazy Song”
tgv 21 minutes ago||
Sokrates: being lazy has no virtue. Plato: being lazy has no virtue. Aristotle: perhaps it's funny?
syndacks 55 minutes ago||
smells of tokens
aeve890 3 hours ago||
>No AI was used to generate the text for this article

Damn. Please never stop writing

andai 3 hours ago||
The slop art gave me the wrong impression. I did enjoy the read even thinking it was AI though.
freehorse 3 minutes ago|||
Due to that image, I immediately copy pasted it to pangram before reading the author's note. Interestingly enough it marked it all as AI generated that has "been paraphrased or rewritten". I am not sure I trust that though, and I want to give the benefit of the doubt to the author's claim because the article itself was not bad in the end anyway, and I also enjoyed reading it. I am very curious though if this was indeed a false positive.
neogodless 2 hours ago||||
I'm sorry we're getting so off topic here but...

I suppose it helps to focus on the core of someone's strength, and the core of the content they are sharing.

You could be a great engineer and a great blogger, but have no skill in making graphics. If you made the artistic choice to add AI-generated art to an excellent engineering blog post, I would forgive it -- assuming it wasn't detracting in some important way.

Overall, the human skill of editing - particularly excluding that which is not additive - does remain key though.

I will say in this case, I don't know the pop song well enough to know if the AI-generated image is super relevant, or just random.

EDIT: I'm guessing it's "Kant"[0] in the image, listening to modern music. Ah... at first I thought it was like, George Washington.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant

aeve890 2 hours ago||
You're absolutely right! jk. I hate this situation of "everything is slop until proven otherwise" and the author doesn't have to be good at writing and drawing just to share their thoughts. But generally you don't expect a Michelin star level meal after having a turd sandwich entrée. It's just a natural pavlovian response at this point to see slop and expect slop. Totally unfair, I agree, but really hard to get rid of it.
andrewflnr 2 hours ago||
It's not even unfair. It's just a heuristic that occasionally gives incorrect results. We and the author would have both been better off skipping the illustration.

The real problem is that "serious content creators" believe (as far as I can tell anyway) that they must have a cover image to make the article appealing or set the mood or whatever. They might even be right as far as the actually reader is concerned, but either way this is the real disease, and it's decades older than LLMs.

stronglikedan 2 hours ago||||
It's not an art piece, it's a writing piece. The illustration is just there for support, not the central focus or even the topic of the article. The author is obviously a decent writer, but I don't see how they should be expected to pay an artist for a simple illustration when this article has nothing to do with said illustration. Life isn't black and white, and you'd do yourself a favor by noticing the shades of gray.
freehorse 11 minutes ago|||
They could just have no "hero image"? Quasi-irrelevant hero images where already bad before AI, AI-generated ones are just 10x worse.

Anyway, it is their piece, their website, so they choose how to structure it. I just don't like the plague of hero images in general. I can understand a hero image that adds something relevant, or even simply has some artistic value in itself. But both stock images and AI-generated ones add neither.

leni536 2 hours ago||||
I don't think the illustration adds anything, it could simply be left out. I did enjoy the writing.
odo1242 2 hours ago|||
They don’t have to pay an artist for the illustration, just use a stock photo (lots of which exist). Or leave it blank (nobody needed an illustration). Having an AI image for filler seems to be in poor taste.
aeve890 2 hours ago|||
Yeah me too. While reading I keep thinking "ok this might be ai generated but it's not slop. Good job funny man". I owe the author an apology.
assumed_throwaw 2 hours ago||
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therealjason 2 hours ago||
Aside from the other links in comments, any where to read more of this? I need more.
keane 5 minutes ago|
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b--l 2 hours ago||
I need to stop using this website.
pipeline_peak 2 hours ago|
Neil Hagerty (Royal Trux, Pussy Galore) Talks Justin Bieber’s Purpose

https://talkhouse.com/neil-hagerty-royal-trux-pussy-galore-t...

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