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Posted by l-one-lone 22 hours ago

How Europe is killing makers and micro-entrepreneurs(lectronz.com)
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imnotr0b0t 13 hours ago|
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mechazawa 22 hours ago||
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tietjens 22 hours ago||
I'm not saying that this is impossible, but it's 3:40 on a Monday in Central Europe right now. I imagine the headline resonates with many readers here.
jgilias 22 hours ago|||
Being a European, I first upvoted, then moved on to read the article. I assume I’m not the only one.

And my corner of Europe is relatively not that red-tape-ish. But many places are pretty horrible when it comes to that.

yread 22 hours ago|||
FWIW, I, a real human, have read it and upvoted it, about 5 minutes after starting to read it.
jeltz 22 hours ago|||
Probably not, I think it is mostly real people who upvote based on just the headline with reading it just because the headline agrees with their worldview.
qarl2 22 hours ago|||
Given how fast your comment is being swarmed, I suspect so.

Also seems like exactly the kind of thing Elmo would fund.

EDIT: And now it's been censored. What a strange coincidence!

khalic 22 hours ago||
Yeah there's very limited anti-tampering in HN. Grok posts are full of bots and fake votes
quincy_jones 21 hours ago||
For the last time EU!= Europe, there are plenty more countries outside Brussels overach ffs
maestroquirk 20 hours ago||
"Since 1975, the US has created 7 companies worth over $1 trillion. Europe has created zero."

......... Yet most of the talent is here

gerikson 22 hours ago||
Unfortunate choice of words, implies these people are being literally murdered...
nbadg 21 hours ago||
Good post, bad title.

From the title alone, I'd expect a typical think-piece from someone (possibly outside the EU) about overregulation, "the solution is no regulation at all", etc. Instead, it's a solid critique of the recent packaging/packaging waste regulation debacle, from a constructive angle. The first section hits the nail on the head: "a good idea, a terrible implementation".

Unfortunately, this feels like a frequent refrain when it comes to the EU. And even more unfortunately, even just this ever-so-slightly-more-nuanced take seems to frequently be drowned out by the two extremes -- "all regulation is bad and we need pure unadulterated free market capitalism" or "all capitalism is bad and we need pure unadulterated regulation" -- which are by far the two loudest voices in the room.

The OP has some good suggestions about this particular regulation (which should definitely be considered! Fix things are broken; don't just throw the baby out with the bathwater!), but I'd personally be interested to see things that try to understand and treat the root cause instead of yet another symptomatic regulation. Maybe walking further down the path towards federalization? Iunno, but if I had a dime for every time I've thought "good idea, bad execution" as an EU resident... I'd have a lot of dimes.

lucasRW 21 hours ago|
Well, maybe if anything coming from the EU is "good idea, bad execution", the solution should be to get rid of this bureaucracy altogether then.
giorgosh4 18 hours ago||
Yeah time for EU to change, all these legislation and rules never helped EU to grow. I guess it's up to Gernamy/France to finally figure it out
rdm_blackhole 17 hours ago|
France is about to have either a very far-right or very far-left president and neither party like the EU very much so I wouldn't count on that.

As for Germany, Mertz is disliked greatly and the AFD will most likely win the next state elections in the east which could accelerate his departure.

Finally Germany and France are both facing many internal issues including migration, debt and low economic growth prospects.

All of this to say that change will not come from there.

khalic 22 hours ago|
It's funny, because what's actually, literally killing people is pollution...
mrweasel 21 hours ago||
The idea isn't the issue, the implementation is. The EU did the same with VAT previously, where you'd have to register separate businesses in different countries, once you got large enough (which wasn't very large). Now there's a central system to keep track of what goes where and you can sell internally in the EU with no issues.

Something similar needs to happen here, where business report and pay to a central EU system, that then transfers the funds to each country. The problem is that the EU is smart enough to see the environmental problem, but forgets to think about ramifications and doesn't provide the right tools.

khalic 21 hours ago||
I was commenting on the title, the concept is sound yes, but doesn't call the initial idea into question, these measures are necessary to ensure a sustainable civilisation at this point, should be clear to every body really...
cm2012 21 hours ago|||
In Europe air pollution, while much higher than the United States, is at a hundred year low.
khalic 21 hours ago||
slightly off topic wouldn't you say?
echelon 22 hours ago||
Is it literally killing the majority of Europeans? How many deaths comes from an Arduino box?

Europe's smart people are going to have to move to another country to be entrepreneurs. That's going to kill Europe faster.

khalic 22 hours ago||
> Europe's smart people are going to have to move to another country to be entrepreneurs

Watch the stats please, the contrary is happening right now, plenty of American talents coming to Europe.

throwawaypath 20 hours ago|||
>Watch the stats please, the contrary is happening right now, plenty of American talents coming to Europe.

No they're not. Plenty of European talents are still coming to the US.

Besides, millions of MENA migrants in Europe are all doctors, engineers, and lawyers! No need for the Americans.

khalic 20 hours ago||
It's funny how racists are the most cowards mfs around, with their repertoire of 5 "coded language" stuff they repeat ad nauseam...
throwawaypath 8 hours ago||
>It's funny how racists are the most cowards mfs around,

The cowards are the ones banning any conversation around the problems the millions of MENA migrants have caused Europe. Stop projecting about being a weak effeminate coward.

>with their repertoire of 5 "coded language" stuff they repeat ad nauseam...

Nothing I stated was "coded language."

khalic 1 hour ago|||
> Stop projecting about being a weak effeminate coward

hahaha, found the closeted femboy lover

Caius-Cosades 5 hours ago|||
Europeans have no right to exist, period.
thunspa 21 hours ago||||
Please share said stats with us
khalic 21 hours ago||
https://www.bruegel.org/analysis/how-much-research-talent-co... for an analysis and https://www.euractiv.com/opinion/europes-battle-for-american...

Nothing definitive but it's still early in the exodus

throw-the-towel 21 hours ago||||
They're probably not coming to be entrepreneurs though.
imthatsteve 21 hours ago|||
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