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Posted by tosh 8 hours ago

Xiaomi: New CPU matches Apple cores single threaded, much faster multithreaded(twitter.com)
https://xcancel.com/lemire/status/2091894299289874926
678 points | 460 commentspage 3
nazgulsenpai 7 hours ago|
I think it's great that the Chinese are catching up and can compete directly with the incumbents. The GPU space I find really exciting with several new IPs out there that aren't quite ready for primetime, but still fascinating.

Also, here's to hoping we get some relatively competitive Chinese DRAM flooding the consumer market someday soon.

maxglute 5 hours ago||
PRC going to get have surplus of semi talent and equipment in a few years that food delivery companies Meituan probably going to starting making chips like they do LLMs. Only 60% joking.
kjeldsendk 2 hours ago||
As usual with claims from China based companies. It's pure lies until we have an independent test with free access.

Two rather rare words in China

bar000n 6 hours ago||
Xiaomi still need to improve their UX and also match the UI to western culture, in spite of now being a global "tech giant" they still want to convince everyone else to be Chinese?
bee_rider 6 hours ago||
Apple is the least interesting company to compare against. They are in their own MacOS/iOS software ecosystem, which you want if you want and you don’t if you don’t. Not to be dismissive of either side of that, there are legit reasons to stay in or out of Apple’s ecosystem. But benchmarking points is not a reason anyone would switch operating systems, right?

What OS will these chips run and what is the competition on that platform? He makes a lot of comparisons to AMD and Intel in the post, why not benchmark against them?

mschuetz 5 hours ago||
Not at all. I specifically bought a MacBook Air M4, first Mac product in my life, for its fantastic performance in a passively cooled notebook. I have zero loyalty to Apple and usually use Windows. If someone else starts beating them perf wise, I'll happily switch again.
MBCook 6 hours ago|||
They are the kind of single core right now, so they’re the most interesting comparison.

Do you want to compare to Intel/AMD? If these are destined for phones that’s not a useful comparison by your metric.

jorvi 5 hours ago||
Linus specifically always buys Apple laptops to run Linux on because they're just that good. Even despite all the paper cuts.
throwa356262 4 hours ago||
Linus Torvalds has in past used laptops from Apple, Lenovo and Dell and probably many more.

His current laptop is an Intel laptop.

bip-bop-robot 8 hours ago||
RIP Mediatek, RIP Qualcomm
StrLght 7 hours ago||
Would be nice to see some independent numbers and benchmarks. Apparently, Xiaomi announced this SoC today, so there's no 3rd party data about it.
hn_submit 8 hours ago||
Yeah but they can't use TSMC to make it so they'll have to make due with older or more expensive lithography processes.

That probably explains why there's so few of these CPUs around: the yields of the domestic Chinese lithography processes (non-EUV) are awful.

trynumber9 8 hours ago||
Xiaomi has not been sanctioned like Huawei. So it is made by TSMC on N3P. The Huawei chips, made by SMIC, are so far behind they're not competitive at all with even Xiaomi's first generation chip.
throwa356262 7 hours ago||
After this news they might suddenly be.
hn_submit 6 hours ago|||
The U.S. is already making moves to completely halt the export of ASML machines to China, including non-EUV ones. Every semiconductor China produces could be used in weapons and that's agains U.S. law.
spacedcowboy 5 hours ago|||
Last I knew, ASML was a Dutch company with a Veldhoven HQ. With the amount of shit that Trump's been pulling in Europe, The EU might be more willing to side with China and ban exports to the US.
hn_submit 5 hours ago|||
Not as long as there's a NATO.

Europe needs to acquire a nuclear arsenal that stands head-to-head with the Russian one quantitatively and independent from the U.S. or any other nation (including the French and British) for nuclear deterrence. This means many more European nations need to acquire a nuclear arsenal.

The frustrating part is that the U.S. doesn't want to give assurances whether it will come to Europe's aid if it were attacked, but at the same time doesn't want European nations to develop an independent nuclear capability. Many European nations (Poland, Finland, Sweden, Germany) are currently contemplating going nuclear. The U.S. is actively discouraging them to do so.

spacedcowboy 3 hours ago||
I would argue that NATO under Trump is a paper tiger. There is a reason no-one wants to buy US weapons any more, though the intricacies of where they are, having assumed the US would be a reliable ally, mean the current flood of US weaponry to European countries will slow down gradually, not all at once.

Reputation is a fickle thing, so difficult to build, and so easy to lose.

blackoil 7 hours ago||
Xiaomi can and does use TSMC.
celsoazevedo 8 hours ago|
Nice. Let's see if they perform well in the real world.
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