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Posted by K7PJP 7 hours ago

iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com(developer.apple.com)
326 points | 81 commentspage 2
xaviervn 7 hours ago|
I don't understand how this changes anything. IIRC, the complaints were about Apple making the Hide My Email addresses different than regular ones.

They're now saying the new domain will be private.icloud.com. Isn't it just as targetable?

NobodyNada 7 hours ago||
It's talking about two different services:

> Sign in with Apple addresses, previously issued on privaterelay.appleid.com, will be issued on private.icloud.com.

> iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com.

LoganDark 7 hours ago||
Sign in with Apple is Apple's SSO, like Sign in with Google. Services have to support this one explicitly, and it already had a special subdomain, so the specific subdomain is simply changing.

Hide My Email is the manually generated ones, for websites that accept an arbitrary email address. This is the one where it's valuable for the relays to be identical to genuine iCloud addresses, otherwise websites could try to block it and force you to use a more revealing email address, undermining privacy.

tingletech 3 hours ago||
this opens some crazy "apple developer" dialog on my mac rather than a web page. I had to crank up chrome to read it. And it makes no sense, I have no clue what a sign on with apple address is. I guess I'm glad my hide my email addresses won't change because that would be a PITA.
ezfe 30 minutes ago|
You have the developer app installed. It does seem to be deep linking wrong.

Sign in with Apple email addresses are email addresses for the Sign in with Apple button.

wijayaerick 3 hours ago||
iCloud Hide My Email sharing the same domain with normal email (icloud.com) is the reason why I use iCloud over other email alias services like simplelogin and addy.
amazingamazing 7 hours ago||
Good. What else can really be said? Only way for it to work and not be trivially blocked is to mix with legit emails.
jambalaya8 7 hours ago|
A lot of places also don't really like icloud addresses in general. This is one of Apple's better offerings though.
etaioinshrdlu 5 hours ago||
I'm a bit confused - when i see these signups, they look like this to me:

rtwnj6tj7@privaterelay.appleid.com

anon7000 4 hours ago||
I think the post is very explicit. First sentence:

> Starting later this year, new Sign in with Apple addresses, previously issued on privaterelay.appleid.com, will be issued on private.icloud.com. Existing addresses on privaterelay.appleid.com will continue to work and forward mail to users without interruption.

jshier 3 hours ago||
That's the Sign in with Apple domain, not the Hide My Email domain. HME is remaining at icloud.com instead of moving to private.icloud.com as well. From the linked article:

> After further consideration and reviewing community feedback, iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com.

drdexebtjl 2 hours ago||
How many sign ups you have with an @icloud.com address?

A lot of those are Hide My Email aliases that, by design, you can’t tell apart from real human addresses.

floam 7 hours ago||
Good. This would have made blocking them trivial.
prism56 7 hours ago||
Good! Was there ever a compelling reason why they went for this switch initially?
floam 7 hours ago|
Yes, to fully fix a certain class of bug on their infra.
culi 7 hours ago||
Do you know any more about it or have a link where I can read more?
floam 6 hours ago|||
I’ll try to add more later, but it is believed that multiple times, a bug in some random API has allowed for the “hidden” Apple account to be revealed because they resolve hide my emails to the original internally. Using a separate namespace would be the universal fix.

A mitigation for the cause of https://www.404media.co/apple-hide-my-email-vulnerability-re...

nvme0n1p1 4 hours ago||
This doesn't follow. The bounce message used to (effectively) say,

> abc@icloud.com forwards to real@gmail.com

If they switched the new domain and did nothing else, it would say:

> abc@privaterelay.appleid.com forwards to real@gmail.com

That's no better. Fixing that privacy leak is unrelated to whatever the destination domain is.

floam 4 hours ago||
No, using a different domain makes it easy to across the board add a rule: don’t treat as Apple ID.
gruez 7 hours ago|||
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48559935

If you dig more you could find the bug, but AFAIK it was that if you sent a large attachment, the bounce email would contain your real address.

delduca 7 hours ago||
That was a stupid idea (the prev one)
trueno 7 hours ago|
thank god -.-