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Posted by surprisetalk 18 hours ago

Building a backyard office, the build and cost breakdown(www.imkylelambert.com)
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Jeremy1026 15 hours ago|
I have one problem that keeps me from doing something like this. Weather. I don't want to get wet walking out or back because it happens to be raining.
zie 13 hours ago||
You can put in an awning or covered walkway between the buildings. You can even do a fully enclosed, fully climate controlled hallway with lots of windows and doors out to the yard, etc. Just depends on how much you want to pay and your imagination.

I've seen some properties where they build ponds underneath the indoor hallway with glass flooring to see the fish and stuff in the pond. Obviously wild things like that cost a bit more then a simple awning or covered walkway.

cucumber3732842 10 hours ago||
>You can even do a fully enclosed,

And then lose all the regulatory benefit of whatever shed exemption you're trying to use, get absolutely screwed on regulatory compliance and code whatnot that you're leveraging by having it be a detached outbuilding. And then get sneered at by HN when you say the rules as they apply to your situation are stupid.

zie 9 hours ago||
you might get screwed on regulatory compliance, it just depends on your local govt and how much they want to screw you.

It's got to suck to do the inspectors job. Having to keep up with whatever the code creators come up with, while also getting abused by every home owner and contractor in the area because they hate X,Y or Z. While trying to dodge political leverage from elected officials trying to get whatever pet mess they want done.

It's not a job I'd want, and I bet they get paid trash to boot.

Code compliance and inspections exist for a reason, and if you are lucky, the current inspector/code compliance dept in your local govt realizes it's to ensure the building doesn't fall down around your ankles when you least expect it and not to screw you over.

toast0 4 hours ago|||
> It's got to suck to do the inspectors job. Having to keep up with whatever the code creators come up with, while also getting abused by every home owner and contractor in the area because they hate X,Y or Z.

Permit inspectors are basically unaccountable. There's no requirement that what you sign off meets code or that you'll sign off if it meets code.

As a builder, best thing is if you can fix whatever needs fixing while the inspector is there. If not, there's a non-zero chance you get a different inspector for the reinspection who likes it the way the first inspector said you couldn't do it.

cucumber3732842 9 hours ago|||
This is is exactly what I meant by the last sentence.
doodlebugging 8 hours ago|||
It's only water. It'll wash off.
5upplied_demand 15 hours ago||
Buy an umbrella?
Jeremy1026 15 hours ago||
Umbrellas are great at keeping your head and shoulders dry, but kind of suck beyond that.
Marsymars 9 hours ago||
That's like a 5-10 second walk, I can't imagine your legs are going to get all that wet in that timespan.

Like if I'm bringing my bins to the road for pickup, I never bother putting on a jacket or w/e regardless of weather. If it does happen to actually be a torrential downpour, I just switch to a new t-shirt when I'm back inside.

krn1p4n1c 17 hours ago||
I ran PVC between my house and shop/office with 2 sets of single-mode fiber instead of ethernet. Electrical code will require proper grounding for copper for lightning strikes.
veverkap 15 hours ago|
Do you have to do PVC or can you just bury the fiber?
krn1p4n1c 9 hours ago|||
Like /u/someothherguyy said it depends on the cable type. There are shielded and jacketed outdoor cables that don't require PVC/EMT, but usually you'll have to terminate them yourself so there's additional tooling required.

I went with PVC because it's the easiest to work with, NEC only required it be buried 12in below the surface for residential, but I went to 24". I oversized the PVC a bit so I had room to run more cables as well. I filled the trench with gravel, ran the PVC over that, then filled over it with some more gravel. A thin layer of dirt, marking tape and then the rest of the dirt. Rent a trencher if you have hard ground.

If you're having a licensed electrician do the work of connecting house and office power then you can ask them to run the conduit for it at the same time.

someothherguyy 13 hours ago|||
it depends on the cable type, what you are willing to spend, where you live, etc

i tried to find a page that wasn't terrible for this, still kind of bad though:

https://www.gloryoptics.com/info/how-deep-does-spectrum-bury...

alehlopeh 17 hours ago||
Insulating -> insulting is a funny typo.
someothherguyy 13 hours ago||
that is insanely expensive for what this is, but i suppose that depends on what you are willing to do yourself
sailfast 17 hours ago||
Looks like a great setup!

$20K still seems like a lot to get some mosquito bites walking through the yard to work. Lack of plumbing, coffee, etc (some of those are fixable of course) is a bit of a turnoff but perhaps the walk is part of the charm.

I find that with kids mostly in school and knowing the rules the exterior space isn’t a requirement, but I don’t have a ton of meetings these days so YMMV. Mostly this is cope because I don’t have 20K to drop on a cool office! :)

Nice work and thanks for the post!

ryandrake 17 hours ago||
If you're relatively handy, a lot of what OP paid for can be DIY'ed. I would have never paid a contractor to do all of that. Probably just the electrical. Especially the Tuff Shed structure. Those things are dead simple, marketed at DIYers, and can be finished in a weekend. Insulation, drywall, trim, and flooring is also child's play. OP could have easily cut the project's cost in half if he wanted to.
JamesSwift 16 hours ago||
Yeah I had the same thoughts about what they chose to DIY vs hire out. Insulation is so simple, and trim can be done at your leisure. But thats also not likely to save much overall since the contractors also know how simple those are.
jawilson2 11 hours ago||
You're missing the important part: doing all of this WITH A ONE YEAR OLD CRAWLING AROUND AT HOME. You can get things done, it is just an order of magnitude longer that it would take without kid(s).
kslambert 13 hours ago|||
Author here. I have heard this complaint from others before. If you live in an area where it snows I am assuming this would be a pain. But a 20 foot walk to my house is not a trek. If I was in an office the bathroom and coffee would be farther away. Honestly I like the outside part of the trek, it is a nice change.
Johnny555 17 hours ago|||
The Coffee issue is easy to solve, just bring a pitcher of water with you in the morning to pour into the coffee maker - it's what I did when my home office was in a spare room above the garage. The walk from his back yard to the indoor bathroom is probably shorter than the walk he'd have in any office.
swader999 17 hours ago||
Its gross but a pee bottle is what I'd do.
rocketpastsix 16 hours ago|||
that feels pretty excessive
swader999 15 hours ago||
Not in terms of cost.
onlypassingthru 16 hours ago|||
Really? Why not step outside and help water the plants? It is your backyard, after all.
swader999 15 hours ago||
That's what I do but I don't really have any neighbours in eyesight.
titanomachy 16 hours ago||
> $20K still seems like a lot to get some mosquito bites walking through the yard to work.

In some parts of the world, people consider spending time outdoors to be a positive thing.

copperx 13 hours ago||
> In some parts of the world, people consider spending time outdoors to be a positive thing.

You're going to have to break that down for me.

gitowiec 12 hours ago||
It's not building, it's telling others to build
world2vec 15 hours ago||
$20k is way too much money for that.
smalltorch 14 hours ago||
~$250/sf isnt really that far off from median though.
Glyptodon 7 hours ago||
It's crazy for something that starts with a Tuff shed and has no plumbing. Should be more along the lines of a garage in terms of PPSQFT IMO opinion.
jms703 14 hours ago||
No, that is the cost of labor and materials.
tristor 16 hours ago||
I considered doing this or buying a house that already had an ADU/casita when we were house shopping, but I have a very different situation with being mostly home alone during the day and a dedicated room in the house for an office. I still think this might be an ideal though, because having a physically separate space has both psychological and physical advantages. Particularly, I wish I could pre-wire a /lot/ of networking in the space and separately air condition it, because I prefer much colder temperatures and it'd be cheaper to keep a separate office at 68F and the house at 74F than try to keep the house at 68-70F.
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