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Posted by motownphilly 14 hours ago

Twitter Viewer – View Twitter Without Account(twitterwebviewer.com)
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kemotep 13 hours ago|
I used Twitter for over 10 years without an account then suddenly in 2022 that was completely disrupted and no longer an option. Reddit is now this way too.

But I find it ridiculous that Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, etc. get used by government agencies and local businesses to post announcements and these sites are increasingly if not completely unusable without being logged in (and in some cases requiring an app instead of the site). Even Bluesky has this problem!

Sometimes this information is really important! And I even if I did have an account I may not have access to log in on every device (or even want to).

It’s absurd that social media can become this like critical communications platform for severe weather alerts or business hours or anything but the sites hosting it are completely hostile to allowing you to see it.

Sites like this are a bandaid on a gangrenous foot. Thanks for allowing me to see links from twitter but it isn’t a sustainable solution clearly.

ghusto 8 hours ago||
Here in the Netherlands, WhatsApp has the defacto communication tool. Everyone is expected to have it installed, not just by friends but also municipals and companies. Same level as having an e-mail address.

It's a missed opportunity for the digital soverignty the EU says it so badly needs. The code for a government backed WhatsApp competitor is there, in multiple instances even. Launch a WhatsApp clone and put all governement communication through it so everyone has to have it installed, and you have an instant EU-wide userbase. From there, people will naturally start to use it between themselves.

veeti 5 hours ago|||
Eurocrats could never in a million years make it happen. For starters, every country would insist on having its own ChatsApp, with roll out taking years. Then, to satisfy strict security and compliance regulations it would be restricted to devices passing Google & Apple hardware attestation checks. And once everyone is finally forced to be on board, any confidentiality guarantees can go out the window to catch pedos and terrorists.

It's for the best.

inigyou 28 minutes ago||||
There is a carrier neutral WhatsApp, called SMS.
wldcordeiro 8 hours ago||||
Reminds me of what Brasil did with Pix which of course the outside payment processors have been trying to undo.
baxtr 7 hours ago||||
I think my main communication is probably the last tool that I want to be government backed tbh.
valleyer 7 hours ago|||
Even if it's communication/announcements from the government?

I too am constantly frustrated that official communications from governments happen on Twitter or Facebook.

thevinter 7 hours ago|||
Communications/announcements from the government can easily be posted on the government's website or, if really needed, sent as an SMS
iamnothere 3 hours ago|||
My local government still lets you sign up for email notifications about services and local alerts. It’s great!
vasco 1 hour ago|||
Too expensive, bad idea.
inigyou 28 minutes ago||
What do you mean? They'll just pass a law saying carriers have to deliver them for free
r_lee 6 hours ago|||
are those your "main communication" tools?
toomuchtodo 7 hours ago|||
Do you think if government accounts were on Signal, people would install it?
Fnoord 1 hour ago||
Signal is an improvement, but not federated.
a_imho 13 hours ago|||
Increasingly access is hidden behind mobile apps too, which in turn requires succumbing to app stores and handing over the keys to 2 giant US companies. For slopware and social media, fine. Some would even argue it is a blessing in disguise. However on the government level it is totally unacceptable. E.g. why should anyone and especially non US citizens accept the Google/Apple TOS in order to file their taxes, access their health recds or schedule a gov appointment?
CTDOCodebases 7 hours ago|||
It's all by design to. People call for social media regulation without realizing that it is by no coincidence these companies have been able to grow so large. The security state has been outsourced to private industry.
GPerson 10 hours ago|||
My phone can’t even open most of the apps since it’s so old. Reddit does not load (this actually helped me a lot).
alyeska2 12 hours ago|||
Even worse, it's hard or impossible to even have an account with any shred of privacy.

I've tried to create pseudoanonymous accounts on both Bluesky and Twitter and then had them be instantly banned before I ever used them. Not even doing anything real privacy like TOR or a VPN, just trying to create an account without revealing my personal phone number.

Ironically, their attempts to crack down on bots means real people like me can't access the sites, while the scammers, propagandists and shills will put in the work to register accounts.

inigyou 27 minutes ago|||
You might try attacking the problem from the other direction. If your country allows buying a SIM card without KYC, then do that.
filoleg 12 hours ago||||
Just to clarify, what do you mean by "without revealing my personal phone number"?

Did you use a voip number (e.g., Google Voice/Twilio/etc.) instead? Or somehow no number at all? Or a secondary (real) phone number, and Twitter somehow determined it wasn't your primary personal phone number?

Not pushing back against what you said, just trying to understand what factually happened.

omoikane 10 hours ago|||
Bluesky didn't require phone numbers back when it was invite only, and then there was a period of time after they allowed everyone to create accounts where users need a phone number to verify. That requirement might have been replaced by a captcha according to:

https://github.com/bluesky-social/social-app/issues/2762

But I didn't try to create an account recently, maybe they went back to requiring phone numbers.

deltoidmaximus 10 hours ago||
Lots of services demand your phone number after the fact now, hoping to use the sunk cost fallacy to extort it out of you when you're in a hurry.

Walmart recently deleted my phone number from my account for vague reasons but most likely because another account had the same number. That other account is my wife and the number is our VoIP line. I have no desire to interact with walmart through my cell phone so I didn't give it to them. So I used a google voice number, which is not my number, to get back in. Then they just bought my actual cell number from my credit card company and autopopulated the field. Jokes on me!

aucisson_masque 7 hours ago|||
> Then they just bought my actual cell number from my credit card company

Holy moly, don't you have any law at all to protect people's privacy ?

fcarraldo 7 hours ago||
in the US? no.
cassepipe 9 hours ago|||
But I don't think that's the case for Bluesky
hparadiz 5 hours ago||
It's because of spam. You're damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Ironically AI could fix this when trivial spam detection inference becomes cheap enough to throw away on every upload.

inigyou 25 minutes ago||
AI would classify anything disagreeing with the government as spam. For example right now it would classify anything opposing Israel as spam.
alyeska2 10 hours ago|||
It's been years since I tried making a Twitter account, I believe at the time it sometimes required a phone number to sign up but other times it was optional (some A/B test).

I think Bluesky didn't require a phone number to sign up, just an email. Maybe I'm misremembering though and it forced a phone number so I had to provide a fake one or a voip one.

inigyou 25 minutes ago||
Right now X requires either a phone number, or email + phone hardware ID.
deltoidmaximus 10 hours ago||||
I wouldn't even care if they blocked my anonymous account from posting or really interacting besides reading things. But of course, preventing bot actions isn't actually why I need an account so they aren't going to let you do that.
cassepipe 9 hours ago|||
I don't remember giving my phone to bluesky
alexfortin 52 minutes ago||
I didn't
giancarlostoro 11 hours ago|||
> Reddit is now this way too.

Which is why OpenAI formed a partnership with reddit, in exchange for access to OpenAI's models, OpenAI gets access to reddit's data, and access to reddits live feed.

The reason X and Reddit started forcing accounts is to prevent or add barrier for web scraping, and forcing companies to pay for access to the data.

ModernMech 11 hours ago||
Notably this was called a “temporary emergency measure” by Elon Musk — yet another promise he couldn’t keep

https://www.reuters.com/technology/twitter-now-needs-users-s...

sailfast 11 hours ago|||
“Temporary emergency” should always be considered skeptically - especially when it comes to government. They almost always stay permanent.
ibejoeb 10 hours ago|||
I'm fine with the criticism, but what's the solution? And what makes this a uniquely Elon problem when the rest of the social media industry does the same? There was backlash when the models learned computer programming from open source repositories, so I wonder if the same applies to casual speech.
kelvinjps10 9 hours ago||
Because it worked without an account before Elon came to Twitter and changed it?
Pedro_Ribeiro 8 hours ago||
Would've happened either way. Data is more valuable and also trivial to scrape now.
arjie 13 hours ago|||
The governments go where the people are. If they post on their own sites it’s the equivalent of “on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Leopard’”.

But government information should definitely be first source on their site with federation elsewhere.

phforms 8 hours ago|||
Yeah, "first source" is the key here. The information should be available openly and independently of any 3rd-party platform.

In a broader sense, I believe that every person who publishes on the internet should have a standard way to keep their profile data (accounts, posts, etc.) in a secure, user-owned vault that is independent of any company or institution and platforms should have to pull data from that place (in a restricted, user-controlled way) instead of from their own servers. Platforms should be exchangeable, profiles should be entirely user-owned. But of course, this is just a dream and hard to realise technically and economically (incentive-wise) with our current systems. Decentralised protocols are a step in this direction, but unfortunately still too technical/complicated for most people to really "own" or host their data themselves.

arjie 7 hours ago||
ATProto attempted to do this with their PDS based structure but it isn’t fully decentralized yet. The vision is similar to what you describe though.
pfraze 6 hours ago||
Thats entirely how atproto works now!
inigyou 23 minutes ago||
Except for the part where bluesky maintains a central registry and also the part where the protocol is really complicated with its authenticity stuff.
andrepd 11 hours ago|||
The problem is not governments or people posting there. The problem is platforms/utilities not being treated as such.
anotherpaul 13 hours ago|||
totally agree, businesses that only have Facebook or Instagram are basically hidden from me. I can not see their opening hours, nor the menue, if it is a restaurant. I understand why the businesses use facebook, its easy, but its also a bit sad.
rplnt 12 hours ago|||
Similarly, society decided at some point that linkedin, a completely private and constantly hacked social network, is a must-have when looking for work (not any work, but for a lot of jobs it applies). Just give them all your private data and we'll have a look.
y-c-o-m-b 11 hours ago||
Makes one miss the days when Craigslist or Monster (and its clones) were legitimately the best places to find employment.

I've always loathed LinkedIn due to their poor security and their data mining practices, starting from day 1. I haven't used LinkedIn in over 10 years and only used it briefly to connect with old colleagues. I never had a problem getting work without it. Due to AI, scammers, and infiltration by countries like North Korea, LinkedIn seems to be the only other source outside of "networking" to get hired these days though, unfortunately.

At this point nothing would make me happier than to see Meta, X, LinkedIn, and their friends collapse. They are a cancer and only amplify the enshittification of everything.

tuesdaynight 12 hours ago|||
It's frustrating, but we need to accept that we are not the kind of user that these platforms want. I stopped using Reddit for the same reason, and I accepted that I'm not the best user for them. For my luck, Reddit is not used as the main communication channel for government agencies
cassepipe 9 hours ago|||
> Even Bluesky has this problem!

Bluesky is totally accessible for me without an account. What do you see ?

kemotep 2 hours ago||
Plenty of people restrict their account to require that you too have an account to see their posts. A link to Bluesky often feels like roulette on whether I can see a post or not.

It isn’t as egregious as other sites but it’s still restrictive.

Melatonic 5 hours ago|||
That's why we really need some kind of non profit or maybe two "social media" sites made with the public good in mind. One could be officially government sanctioned and funded (sort of like Voice of America but internal to the US more so) and have a strict organisation verification policy for local police / government and other quasi public entities (say like transportation systems and energy companies - etc)
inigyou 22 minutes ago||
So HTTP and IP
wackget 5 hours ago|||
I wholeheartedly agree on every point. I've felt this way for years. It's scandalous.

Many companies also rely on socials as their only effective means of customer service. If you have a problem or want to provide feedback but you don't use social media then you are SOL.

inigyou 21 minutes ago||
Or you sue them and (if they did something wrong) they're SOL.

But you won't. And they know you won't. Not even small claims.

Meneth 8 hours ago|||
There is a browser addon https://github.com/tom-james-watson/old-reddit-redirect to view Old Reddit without an account.
tmp10423288442 11 hours ago|||
Should governments not have posted announcements in newspapers back when they were widely read, even though they require paying to read them?
eudamoniac 2 hours ago|||
I'm sympathetic, as I also don't have an account, but honestly I don't think requiring a free account that takes 10 seconds to make and needs no personal info constitutes "completely hostile to allowing you to see it."
inigyou 21 minutes ago||
Twitter requires your phone number to sign up
mxschll 10 hours ago|||
In the EU, EU-Alert exists. They can push alarms to any phone with that system.
jasonfarnon 5 hours ago||
They have Amber Alert here and the other day I noticed it linked to twitter for more information...which I couldn't actually but for a split-second when a pop-up loaded. This is silly. Perhaps govt can reach more people by posting a message to twitter vs their website. But if you're sending a link out, there is no excuse not to link to your website or any number of other open, stable hosts.
inigyou 20 minutes ago||
Amber alerts accomplish nothing, with or without twitter links
jm4 10 hours ago|||
The Reddit thing is disappointing. I stopped being a user a long time ago, but their links often show up in search results. I started noticing I couldn't see the page without logging in. I ended up blocking Reddit in my search results. It's not worth it.
baggy_trough 7 hours ago|||
Create an account then? Not sure why that's an issue.
Am4TIfIsER0ppos 7 hours ago||
You can't make new accounts on twitter. You can only use existing apple or google accounts.
baggy_trough 6 hours ago||
I think you can, if you install their app.
charcircuit 6 hours ago|||
>are completely hostile to allowing you to see it.

You say like this like it doesn't literally take like 10 seconds to make an account to see it.

inigyou 20 minutes ago||
It doesn't. Have you actually tried? Recently?
nomilk 11 hours ago|||
From Musk in Dec 2022 (right after purchasing Twitter):

> we should not be prohibiting read-only scroll

Seems Musk agreed Twitter shouldn't require an account just to view the site. Wonder why the change of mind.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkNkSQ42jg4&t=50m47s

angoragoats 11 hours ago||
I learned from experience at least a decade ago that you should not take anything he says seriously or as an assertion of fact. Countless examples[0] prove that this is the case.

[0] https://elonmusk.today

nomilk 11 hours ago||
Musk is aggressively optimistic on what can be achieved and by when, but rational on product decisions.

Musk stating that read-only scroll should be allowed seems very sensible (I think we all agree on that). But he (or someone he delegated to) clearly changed their mind. Intrigued to know why. Occam's razor would probably suggest that allowing scrapers to host twitter posts elsewhere costs them ad revenue, so they make it difficult.

assagr 11 hours ago|||
He thinks Twitter data is valuable for AI training. He also blocks archive.org.

Grok 4.0, before it deteriorated, had a phase when it was good at writing tweets. The feature was used by Musk sycophants but it becomes boring soon.

Since Grok is closed now too and Cursor is pivoting to octocnt (GitHub clone), nobody knows where things are heading.

numpad0 6 hours ago||
I think buying Twitter for data was a blunder big as expecting self driving to be solved by 2015 or whenever it originally was.

It is only clear with hindsight, but now everyone knows that tweets are literally detrimental for LLM style AI for whatever reason. Personally I think it's because tweets are responses without CoT or prompts, or could be also because all its meat is in the shape incompatible with en-US culture, even when it's in English, though all that matters is it's actively useless.

inigyou 19 minutes ago|||
He didn't buy twitter for data, he bought it to shut down criticism of himself and it worked
nomilk 6 hours ago|||
Maybe for training, but how about look up? I often use claude voice and grok voice (both on iOS) and reasonably frequently claude simply cannot find any info about a breaking topic, whereas grok always can.
numpad0 5 hours ago||
I wonder if "no one says no" culture is practically the same thing as instructing LLMs to always hallucinate.

You know, LLM hallucination is a phenomenon where the AI would generate syntactically bulletproof chunks of text that are not grounded in reality. Lots of efforts by frontier LLM labs had been made in past few years to solve this by enabling AIs to refute premises in the prompt.

Ordinary people still need to be instructed to google stuffs. They don't go to a niche de facto non-American social media to be disappointed by its notoriously bad search to then conclude its notoriously dumb AI can be abused as a makeshift search tool. People are simply unable.

Twitter has been doing so much things backwards lately. That's reminiscent of how hallucination hurts whatever you do with AIs.

angoragoats 10 hours ago|||
> Musk is aggressively optimistic on what can be achieved and by when

That’s putting it quite charitably, IMO.

> but rational on product decisions

Hard disagree. You only need to look to his entire tenure at DOGE for literally hundreds (thousands?) of counterexamples.

Or, if you don’t count that work as “product decisions,” there are other highly questionable product decisions that he is responsible for: the rear doors on the Model X; the lack of instruments/gauges of any kind in front of the driver on the Model 3 and Y; the lack of proper safety sensors/protection for the hood of the Cybertruck, leading to mangled fingers; that stupid yoke steering wheel; and the entirety of Neuralink (just to name a handful).

100percentjake 10 hours ago||
I am certifiably not a fan of Musk but the yoke in the cybertruck when combined with the drive by wire steering is an absolute engineering masterpiece and a masterclass in systems calibration. The yoke itself has a relatively narrow range of motion of .94 turns lock-to-lock and at slow parking lot speeds that means you can do a 3 point turn, park, parallel park, navigate around, without making large movements of the steering input and you never have to (because you physically cannot) go hand-over-hand. Then at highway speeds the steering ratio is vastly different and the vehicle feels solid as a rock. It's absolutely effortless.

Now, on the flipside, the yoke also exists in the Tesla Model S Plaid, which has a traditional manual rack. In here it is the worst god-damned thing to ever curse a vehicle. The width is roughly the diameter of a school bus steering wheel and going hand over hand with it is annoying at best and the whole experience feels like utter garbage.

angoragoats 10 hours ago||
> Now, on the flipside, the yoke also exists in the Tesla Model S Plaid, which has a traditional manual rack. In here it is the worst god-damned thing to ever curse a vehicle.

Yes, as I said, bad product decisions.

maxlin 8 hours ago|||
Blame boundless AI scraping. X would like very much to be more open.
inigyou 17 minutes ago||
You don't think he has the resources to sue the scrapers?
tharmas 12 hours ago|||
And you have to have a phone number to login to these sites (Authenticate). Even On-line Banking, you need a phone number to log in. And in my country Mobile contracts are hideously expensive.

Its all part of the plan: the Digital Control Grid.

Just wait till the Genius Act kicks in with Stable Coins. Programmable money is coming.

fuzzfactor 13 hours ago||
>suddenly in 2022 that was completely disrupted

To some decision-makers their idea of "disruption" is limited to enshittification more than anything else.

Exoristos 10 hours ago||
Disruption was never an unblemished positive for society.
uygiugiu 7 hours ago||
Musk’s takeover of Twitter was a net win for free speech
inigyou 17 minutes ago||
Thanks, new account that only posts to support Musk
celsoazevedo 12 hours ago||
Politics aside, Twitter/X has become a bad place to share information on and to link to. It's a bad option from a technical point of view.

We can't read a multi-part tweet (or follow-ups from the author) or check the latest updates from an official account without an account, which requires a mobile phone number and sometimes extra verifications. A digital "town square" can't require an account and a phone number to read what's said there.

Same with Instagram, Facebook, Threads, Linkdin, etc.

seahorseemoji 10 hours ago|
I wish I understood why the majority of the AI discussions happen on Twitter/X.
nlitened 9 hours ago|||
Network effect. Most people worth discussing with are already there, so more people join the discussion there, and so on.
redox99 7 hours ago||||
Because obviously everyone who participates in a discussion has an account, so they don't feel this annoyance other than maybe when sharing a link to someone else.
itomato 3 hours ago||||
Tells me how valuable they actually are.
anigbrowl 6 hours ago||||
Read Social and Economic Networks by Michael O Jackson.
jesse_dot_id 9 hours ago||||
A lot of crypto bro grifter crossover in AI.
moomoo11 8 hours ago|||
why not?
anigbrowl 6 hours ago||
Don't be obtuse. the reasons why not were spelled out in the GP.
moomoo11 6 hours ago||
vague and useless reply

why are AI researchers and everyone else on X

preg_match 2 hours ago||
Inertia. Twitter has basically no value, it's just a bad app and bad website. It was never actually "good" for information communication, but it was tolerable.

When it comes down to 99% of these "why are people using sucky thing?" questions, the answer is inertia. Never confuse popularity for quality, they're completely orthogonal.

andrewmutz 12 hours ago||
Anyone know the specifics of how this works under the hood? I assumed the people over at Twitter/X would aggressively block systems like this from working. Are they doing something creative to get around that?
inigyou 15 minutes ago||
No, and nitter the software still works too. Apparently the only barrier he could create was a cease and desist letter.
swyx 3 hours ago||
sad that i come here for technical information and yours is the first lonely comment asking about how this works
1vuio0pswjnm7 13 hours ago||
API works great, for now

https://api.twitterwebviewer.com/api/user/[username]

https://api.twitterwebviewer.com/api/user/[username]&uid=[id...

Beware the website is jam-packed with ads and tracking

1vuio0pswjnm7 10 hours ago||
Correction:

https://api.twitterwebviewer.com/api/tweets/[username]?uid=[...

jwilk 8 hours ago|||
What is the uid parameter for? It looks to me it's ignored.
f0e4c2f7 6 hours ago||
Having the same issue. I think they might have turned it off. Was looking forward to using this.
1vuio0pswjnm7 7 hours ago|||
uid optional
jwilk 10 hours ago||
The latter URL looks wrong.
SoKamil 14 hours ago||
It would be nice if URL schema was compatibile with X. In case of Nitter, I could’ve just replaced x.com with xcancel.com with a web extension and URL still works.
john_strinlai 14 hours ago||
it's brave to look at other companies receiving cease and desist notices and treat it as a market opening
inigyou 15 minutes ago||
C&D has zero legal weight. They're just relying on developers being conflict-averse. At my local hacker space, at least five members are in some kinds of protracted legal battles (five different ones)
thehamkercat 14 hours ago|||
twitterwebviewer.com was registered in Hong Kong

according to https://www.whois.com/whois/twitterwebviewer.com

Looks fine, they don't care about the notices i guess

SXX 14 hours ago||
.com domain zone is managed by Verysign US company. They will just C&D them.
pibaker 8 hours ago||||
"Check our Wikipedia page for our latest domain. Next stop the Central African Republic!"
zerop 11 hours ago|||
the maker - https://peterslab.co/products/twitter-web-viewer
doublepg23 13 hours ago||
I guess my brain has been cooked by internet libertarianism but what's the basis of a C&D for proxying a website?

Is the legal basis just copyright of the contents?

xmprt 13 hours ago|||
Bigger "guns" diplomacy. They don't need any legal basis for a C&D. Just depends on whether you have enough money to fight it in court.
john_strinlai 13 hours ago||||
i dont know the legal basis used, or the validity. i just know that i wouldnt want to have to spend the time or money fighting twitter over it
paxys 12 hours ago|||
Well yeah the copyright violation is pretty clear cut here.
itintheory 11 hours ago||
My understanding is that copyright of what's posted is retained by the poster. The Nitter C&D was around a ToS violation for scraping.
inigyou 13 minutes ago||
Violating ToS is legal, but so is sending a C&D for anything you like
HelloUsername 14 hours ago||
Show HN some months ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46513823
trompetenaccoun 2 hours ago||
The X account of the person running this has been suspended.

https://x.com/PeterAndersonE

oriettaxx 10 hours ago||
https://www.autistici.org offer great services with very strong effort to protect privacy, for more then 20 years, now... and all is done by volunteers.

Very proud of their work, and kudos for affecting how the world is handling information and their will to do good

unethical_ban 8 hours ago|
Now designated a terror organization by the current US administration.
oriettaxx 7 hours ago||
yes, I've answered in the wrong post, sorry
randyrand 8 hours ago|
Is this referring to the new Twitter company that recently launched (https://twitter.now)?

If not, then this is just going to lead to confusion.

urbandw311er 7 hours ago||
I don’t think there will be any confusion. Clearly this is not referring to this random new Twitter thing you’ve linked to that most people have never heard of, it is referring to Twitter the previously global piece of software with hundreds of millions of former users.
randyrand 5 hours ago||
Well, I was confused. New Twitter got big coverage today [1] and then more Twitter related news on HN today too.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/08/new-twitter-laun...

tyre 7 hours ago|||
there is no chance that people would assume this is about a startup that's about to get nuked by copyright cease and desists
inigyou 11 minutes ago||
First off I think you mean trademark, secondly you're allowed to just ignore a C&D, thirdly your trademark is invalid if you don't use it so Elon might not actually have a trademark on Twitter any more
orsorna 7 hours ago||
Who in their right mind would take that site seriously?
nozzlegear 28 minutes ago||
Are you talking about Twitter or X?
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