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Posted by robotswantdata 19 hours ago

Microduck(pollen-robotics.com)
574 points | 195 commentspage 2
numpad0 11 hours ago|
Two things that I always contemplate on whether to post this: 1) this can be a phone. 2) almost all of these except Sony ones got joint geometries completely "wrong" to be cutemaxxed toys.

I'm not a Sony employee or anything, but theirs is whole next level even just sitting unpowered, compared to even some of other Japanese bots. Everyone making these cutebots should have one of any of Sony bots to study, even just as a dead kinetic sculpture.

skinfaxi 11 hours ago|
I think this version has a certain charm to it, reminiscent of Wall-E. I think avoiding the uncanny valley is better than trying to cutemax and failing.
numpad0 9 hours ago||
All of Sony bots have somewhat abstract aesthetics. It's not about realism at all but about optimizing the looks. There are tons of basic stuffs like concave eyes that Aldebaran Nao had that a lot of art majors and 3D modellers should be able to come up with that lots of these cutebots are missing.
iamwil 3 hours ago||
Any specific Sony bots you're recommend looking at and studying?
utopiah 17 hours ago||
for microduck I didn't find but their older reachy_miny was Apache 2.0 and hardware design files as Creative Commons BY-SA-NC
k3liutZu 18 hours ago||
My wife would love one of these.

She's still bitter we didn't get the Sony dog a decade ago.

raudette 15 hours ago|
I remember it being the 90s :) the first generation AIBO was discontinued TWO decades ago.

(it does look like subsequent models were launched about a decade ago)

coreyh14444 15 hours ago||
Yep. I was at a dotcom (ZEFER) back then and we owned an OG AIBO robot for the office. This was 1999 I'm pretty sure.
NalNezumi 14 hours ago||
Surprised with the price, a similar form factor that I know of is even more expensive https://shop.xgorobot.com/products/xgo-rider-world-s-first-d...

(Chinese but since it's esp32 and raspberry pi it is possible to tinker with it)

I wonder what's the catch? Cheap IMU/motors?

robotswantdata 13 hours ago|
No catch. Loss leader
cs1996 18 hours ago||
this looks 100x better than Casio's https://www.casio.com/us/moflin/
ricardobayes 15 hours ago||
It's a different target market I guess. I welcome innovation like this - it's possibly tackling the loneliness epidemic in however small ways.
nancyminusone 14 hours ago||
its a cool toy, not a friend. The only way you "bond" with plastic is with some ScotchWeld.
utopiah 17 hours ago|||
This "with emotions like a living creature" should just not be allowed.
kodoman 17 hours ago||
why not?
dgellow 17 hours ago||
Because it’s a lie. And is pushing for even worse sycophantic products

> Emotional AI Support, Powered by Intelligence

Targeting emotionally vulnerable people with AI promises is pretty disgusting

Isamu 16 hours ago|||
How about “this duck fakes positive emotions like we all do from time to time”
iamwil 3 hours ago||||
Plato thought writing was a lie:

> If men learn this, it will implant forgetfulness in their souls; they will cease to exercise memory because they rely on that which is written...And it is no true wisdom that you offer your disciples, but only its semblance, for by telling them of many things without teaching them you will make them seem to know much, while for the most part they know nothing, and as men filled, not with wisdom, but with the conceit of wisdom, they will be a burden to their fellows.

Basically, reading writing (without instruction) will only make people seem like they know stuff, by parroting others, when in fact, they know not much of anything.

tokai 17 hours ago||||
Years ago I worked with developmentally disabled people, that absolutely loved animals but could never be left alone with one much less own one. This kind of product would have brought so much joy to those people.
dgellow 17 hours ago|||
I don’t deny there is a market for it
forgetfreeman 15 hours ago|||
I think it's distasteful to screen ethically questionable business practices with segments of the disabled community. If this product was being marketed towards the need of developmentally disabled individuals I feel like there would be less grounds for criticism, however meeting those needs in no way excuses outright fabrication of marketing claims aimed at the broader consumer market, and especially children.
tokai 15 hours ago||
You find something you made up distasteful? Get a grip. Its just a Furby.
kodoman 17 hours ago|||
Honestly I feel that way for the whole AI friend industry that is developing, from AI boyfriends and girlfriends to just kind of AI 'friends'. But this sort of thing is a sort of robot pet and I think the dynamics are different. Some one replacing a robot cat with a cat is not an evil thing in the way that trying to substitute human relationships are.
dgellow 17 hours ago||
I agree, just don’t lie about it. You can present it as a cute little robot pet without problems. No need to say “it expresses and feels emotions like a real cat”. The AI industry has normalized lying about your products to a whole new level, that shouldn’t be acceptable
kodoman 16 hours ago||
Looking through the advertising.

> Through communication, Moflin’s emotional state changes. Your robot companion can show joy, sadness, and happiness, reacting just like a living creature would. Moflin does not possess actual emotions like humans do. Their emotional expressions are simulated by AI. And lots of bits of the advert seems to be explain how it's not real in the QA and that everything is a simulation.

I have not used the product, but nothing strikes me as dishonest about the advertising.

andrewfromx 15 hours ago|||
i bought one about a year ago and used it for 20 days or so. Then I realised casio offered a full money back return for 30 days. And sorry little moflin your emotions were not real enough for me to want to keep you vs get $400 back.
kodoman 15 hours ago||
They do look cute, but $400 is steep.
andrewfromx 13 hours ago||
it wears off quick.
ForHackernews 16 hours ago|||
> Your robot companion can show joy, sadness, and happiness, reacting just like a living creature would.

Seems like a lie to me. Compare:

> Our synthetic foodstuffs can taste sweet, salty, tart or tangy, delicious flavors just like natural ingredients.

(But then it's all aspartame, etc.)

kodoman 16 hours ago|||
I guess we are really debating the semantics of the sentences now like lawyers but to me the verb show is not particularly difficult to achieve or ambitious or misleading to use in this sort of product. A toy with a that has a smiley face and a frowning face is capable of showing two different emotions.

Your second one point also does not seem like a lie to me since it's claiming to emulate natural ingredient (although here I guess to be just like means to emulate perfectly).

I don't really see why any one would look at the product and it's marketing as evil. It seems to me aimed at people who can not have pets and are want to create a simulation of a soothing positive interaction with a pet. I don't see this as exploitative (apart from it's exploiting a desire that people have in the same way that virtually all products do), I can not see someone forming a relationship with this to the detriment of human interaction or exacerbate some kind of mental illness or cause addiction. It does seem a little expensive and that would be my only criticism of the product so far as I can see.

krisoft 13 hours ago|||
I don’t know what you are on about. Can the robot exhibit signs of the emotions described? If it can then the sentence is not a lie. If it can’t then it is a lie. Are you saying that it won’t do what the sentence says?

The sentence is not saying “it is a living creature”. It says it behaves as one. How much of that sentence is a lie obviously depends on how well the robot works.

tokai 17 hours ago|||
Its not even close to being the same product.
yipinwong 11 hours ago|||
The reason some people fine Moflin terriying is due to differences between the Western and Eastern face reading.

In Western cultures, "mouth" is how one perceives emotions, while in the Eastern cultures, it's the eyes.

e.g.

You see Disney characters got all big mouths, while say, Japanese ones like in anime or Hello Kitty has small or no mouth but BIG eyes.

Same for Microduck. It's got gigantic mouth, while Moflin has none.

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As a personal preference, I like anime/manga characters but not fond of disney characters nor other Pixar characters. they look terrible to me.

A_Venom_Roll 8 hours ago|||
Black Mirror vibes
wiether 11 hours ago|||
I find it terrifying
antonvs 9 hours ago|||
“I have no mouth but I must scream” is a Harlan Ellison story about an AI that tortures humans for revenge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Have_No_Mouth,_and_I_Must_Sc...

I suppose Moflin is preemptive revenge against that scenario. “How do you like them apples, future torturing AI?”

ahoka 16 hours ago||
Finally an AI slop I can keep as a pet. I hate this dystopia.
martianvoid 17 hours ago||
This actually seems awesome, just going through the video on their site made me burst out with 100 different ways in which I would tinker with it, spend time in learning different gaits, some RL or some tricks to have it jump or do a back flip

I can see some parallel between how arduino gave hobbyist a mini computer they can use in any way imaginable, I can see this kind of thing being used to solve unimaginable problems by hobbyist or RL computer scientist or heck any UG student with claude subscription

catlifeonmars 3 hours ago||
Does this work without an internet connection? It was unclear from the website.
LeafItAlone 14 hours ago||
That page is… a lot, on mobile.

Here’s the tech specs page, which is also busy: https://pollen-robotics.com/microduck/press-kit/

tekchip 11 hours ago||
I've tried a few small robot kits and every single one fails the moment it reaches even moderately deep carpet. Either the size of motion doesn't clear the carpet or the motors aren't strong enough to deal with it. The living room is a small robots sand trap. Couldn't help but notice precious little carpet in any of the promo material. What's the point of a robot buddy if you cant play with it in the living room?
TBR007 8 hours ago|
Is there an app for Microduck, or is it currently controlled/programmed directly through the SDK? I’d be interested to know if there’s a mobile app for basic control and setup.
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