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Posted by robotswantdata 22 hours ago

Microduck(pollen-robotics.com)
629 points | 209 commentspage 5
hugs 13 hours ago|
i wonder if this is the reason why those little dynamixel motors have been out of stock for months. (i use them in my robots at tapster.)
syngrog66 4 hours ago||
video was pure non-stop static
unprovable 21 hours ago||
Cute, and quite something if the sim-to-real pipeline is as smooth as we all might hope.
elicash 17 hours ago|
Demo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szW7N_7B3tU
Depurator 20 hours ago||
neat! since its written in rust, why not use https://github.com/eclipse-iceoryx/iceoryx2 for ipc?
Philip-J-Fry 19 hours ago|
Because now you're locked into the Rust ecosystem.

JSONRPC over Unix sockets is a better interface for language agnostic IPC.

imtringued 2 hours ago||
How does a cross language IPC library being written in Rust lock you into the Rust ecosystem if you can use it in C++ and other programming languages listed here https://github.com/eclipse-iceoryx/iceoryx2#language-binding....

You have to engage in a significant amount of motivated reasoning to believe that.

cekanoni 18 hours ago||
It looks cool no doubt, but i would be concerned about privacy.
nater5000 18 hours ago||
Well all of the operations are local and on-board, so unless you explicitly send your data somewhere, privacy shouldn't be a concern.
robotswantdata 16 hours ago||
If it’s anything like Reachy, can run it fully offline inc inference
tietjens 21 hours ago||
What is the battery life?
world2vec 20 hours ago||
1 hour according to the spec sheet. Would be nice if it knew battery was running out and "sat" on a wireless charger by itself.
NitpickLawyer 19 hours ago||
Since it's programmable, I guess one could tinker with it to do just that?
amelius 20 hours ago||
And can it walk back to a charge station and hook itself up?
dv_dt 20 hours ago|||
Add a hack to repurpose a phone wireless charger pad?
amelius 20 hours ago||
My main question is if it would be able to find its way back.
_flux 19 hours ago||
The biggest idea of this device seems to be that people would be able to write software to it, so this seems very likely to be in the domain of achievable things, because it has a camera and LIDAR.
tenuousemphasis 19 hours ago|||
You can train it to do pretty much anything.
amelius 19 hours ago||
You can train deep learning to do anything. But the question is ... will it do it? And the next question: how reliably?
bilater 17 hours ago||
I think in the future we'll have robot pets and look back in horror at how we enslaved animals out of their natural habitats and normalized (even glorified) it.
onestay42 17 hours ago||
What about the animals that have been domesticated to be pets? It's arguable that their native habitat is the home at this point. Although, I do hope we stop capturing the animals which aren't domesticated (most "exotic" pets).
geoffmanning 17 hours ago|||
I agree with the horror of pulling animals out of their natural habitat, but if you are using this as a blanket statement towards all living animals then you should read up on the history of the domestication of wolves (dogs). It was born of a beneficial relationship to both humans and wolves and i personally find my relationship with my dogs to be extremely fulfilling and i believe my dogs do as well.

I have no interest in a relationship with a robot.

bilater 17 hours ago|||
I know the history. We bred them to be our pets and normalized this relationship. Your pet might even love his life. But we can do the same with robot AIs, and it will be a better relationship. Your robot can talk to you. It can call 911 if you’re in trouble instead of just barking.
hectdev 14 hours ago|||
I'd argue that emotional co-regulation is born out of biological origins. Unless we are making synth, it would be a long time to match the relationship with a living creature.
latexr 12 hours ago|||
> it will be a better relationship.

There are many many people for whom that will never be close to the same, let alone better. An immortal sack of wires that is passed down through generations is interesting and will appeal to many, but it’s not automatically a “better” relationship than a living creature.

> Your robot can talk to you.

If you want a conversation, may I suggest another person instead of a pet?

> It can call 911 if you’re in trouble instead of just barking.

If you want a way to automatically call 911, how about a smartwatch that tracks your vitals and does just that?

Anyway, stories of pets calling 911 are a dime a dozen.

https://blog.animalreskue.com/guide-dog-saves-blind-owner-by...

EvanAnderson 15 hours ago|||
> I have no interest in a relationship with a robot.

I think I could, if it meant I could keep the experience of having a pet.

I've had cats going back to my twenties. I dearly love my fifteen y/o cat. She's my last cat, though. As I approach fifty I've grown tired of hefting bags of litter and food, stooping to clean up after her, taking her to the vet, and administering her medication.

When she's finally dead (which is hopefully not for a good long time) I'm not going to get another. This makes me really sad. I'll miss having a cat around. As I age, though, I don't want the encumbrance of taking care of a pet, nor do I want to cause hardship to family if I suddenly become unable to care for a pet (dying, being hospitalized, living arrangement changes and owning a pet isn't allowed, etc).

If there was a robot alternative I'd jump on it. I think my brain would adjust fine to a convincingly-executed robotic cat. Our brains instinctively ascribe agency to objects moving in non-inertial frames, for example. Think about all the people who name their Roomba, install googly eyes on it, etc. People easily accept inanimate objects that behave like living things, to the point of developing feelings for them.

When my cat is gone I hope to get the opportunity to choose a "relationship" with a convincing robotic cat versus not having one at all.

I wouldn't expect everyone to feel this way. I certainly don't want to legislate away pet ownership.

I bet that, if good robotic pets become available, we'll see a significant number of people favoring them over living pets for convenience, long-term cost, freedom from anxiety about the pet's health and eventual death, and the opportunity for companionship in living arrangements where pets aren't allowed.

I've said, for years, that I think there's hundreds of billions of dollars for the company who can make really good robotic pets. If somebody can get the "soft robotics" down and build / train good animal behavior models I think they'll be able to print money.

LeafItAlone 17 hours ago|||
Interesting how all of the replies so far to your comment assume we’d just release the existing animals into the wild instead of just not breeding more.
swiftcoder 13 hours ago|||
> instead of just not breeding more

As one might guess, the "just" there is doing a lot of work.

Common pets reproduce just fine without our intervention - in practice it requires costly maintenance programs just to keep their population under control (not to mention the massive and ongoing eugenics program required to produce only the desirable breeds/attributes).

If your neighbourhood isn't overrun with stray cats and dogs, that's because someone is funding a spay/neuter program, and someone is funding animal control to round up (and ultimately euthanise) the rest.

All animal husbandry systems have to be maintained via regular culling, and "eliminating" pets would require orders of magnitude more killing

EvanAnderson 15 hours ago||||
I always assumed the "enslaved animal-free" future would be something that came on gradually, likely motivated by economics (i.e. lab-grown meat becoming cheaper and higher quality than farmed, robotic pets being cheaper and more "trouble-free", etc).

I never felt like anybody seriously thought we'd release domestic animals into the wild to fend for themselves-- that's ludicrous.

bilater 17 hours ago|||
yup!
righthand 14 hours ago|||
Spoiler this will end with people having robot sheep, cows, horses, ostriches, toads, and more exotic pets (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?)
phplovesong 17 hours ago|||
Release the dogs and cats! You are free to roam! Ill think i need to buy dogg pound stock!
swiftcoder 17 hours ago||
> look back in horror at how we enslaved animals out of their natural habitats

Somehow, vegan-inclined folks never seem to factor in the mass-genocide of domestic breeds that is necessary to achieve their particular utopia. We're talking 1.5 billion pets, 5 billion livestock, and 28 billion poultry - none of which are remotely able to survive on their own in the wild.

j-pb 6 hours ago|||
Wait... do you really think that if everyone goes vegan these animals will get killed, but if everyone eats them they won't?

You are aware that all of these livestock animals didn't exist a few months to years ago? And that we go through these animals every couple months-years?

Everyone going vegan would just mean we'd stop repleneshing them.

swiftcoder 2 hours ago||
> would just mean we'd stop replenishing them

Keep in mind that we already have to perform widespread culling of wild animals in this category. Having eliminated most of the apex predators, we're on the hook to keep populations of wild horses/cattle/deer/etc in check.

If we cease to use domestic animals, they end up in the same boat - we're no longer paying to feed and house them, and if they are capable of breeding in the wild, they will breed unchecked. Leading us to cull them, ad infinitum

bilater 17 hours ago|||
I detest the vegan movement. I'm not an animal lover. Pets are unsanitary nuisances. Robots are better. We don't need to commit a genocide against domestic pets for the transition. Just breed less.
K0IN 15 hours ago||
what a nice platform, i would love this to patrole my house and have some fun.
mobeets 16 hours ago||
I genuinely could not tell if this was a parody/satire or not, I think because the aesthetic reminds me of how a product like this would be presented in a horror movie or something
croes 3 hours ago|
It look like a disney animatronic it seems Open Duck Mini is it's predecessor

https://github.com/apirrone/Open_Duck_Mini

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cfIm06tcfA

grommz 18 hours ago|
Made in China with a 500% markup. No thanks, I will wait for the Chinese version for less than $100.
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