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Posted by jbegley 3 hours ago

Judge Rules Trump Administration’s Blacklisting of Anthropic Was Illegal(www.nytimes.com)
174 points | 76 commentspage 2
replwoacause 3 hours ago|
Most of what Trump does is illegal.
inigyou 1 hour ago||
Actually they made a law saying the president can do whatever he wants.
CMay 25 minutes ago||
No, it didn't say that. It didn't stop the media from repeating it a thousand times, though. In the future, go directly to the supreme court decisions and read them for yourself rather than having other people tell you what to think. We are absolutely in a time rich with other people telling you exactly what you should think and feel about a thing.
darig 3 hours ago|||
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ButlerianJihad 2 hours ago||
A lot of what the President does is ineffectual. And this is speaking with generality, including Presidents Obama, Biden, Clinton, et. al.

The modern method of "ruling by Executive Order/Action" is a clever political ruse. It garners a lot of attention to decree an EO on some wedge issue, doesn't it? It stirs the pot quite effectively, even if the EO isn't, in fact, effective to do anything at all.

Ruling by EO is a way to keep campaign promises. It's a way to assuage constituents and donors and benefactors, "hey, I'm doing what you wanted from me!" and it's a way to keep ahold of the narrative. What it isn't, is effective governance. The USA is not ruled by decree. The EOs, if they are on subjects that are normally the remit of the judicial or legislative branch, may not do much, if anything at all. The President can say he's meddling with the national budget; the media can say he's meddling; the citizens can all complain that he's meddling, but only Congress can actually do budgetary things. The "#nokings" protests are attacking a straw man, because the USA has no king indeed. We uphold the Constitution in this house.

A lot of EOs simply get blocked or countermanded or never take effect, and remain as Presidential Suggestions or Presidential Wishful Thinking entirely. And nobody notices when they fizzle: they only notice when the pen hits paper and they supposedly take effect. They fulfill his promises. They galvanize the base. They assuage benefactors.

Don't be fooled, though. Ruling by EO is simply another layer of lawfare. It's not effective governance and it's not intended to be. It's intended to confuse and beguile you. What is it that Sun Tzu and Saul Alinsky said about having power? Check on that first.

inigyou 1 hour ago|||
What happens if the president ignores the budget and spends money how he wants?
digi59404 2 hours ago|||
Interesting. I wonder how those who were laid off by the Government feel about this. Or those who are harmed by ICE Agents. Maybe those who are stuck in limbo because their visas aren’t going to be renewed.

You’re point about /effective/ governance makes sense. To that I agree, often the EOs are overturned or have little affect.

However, the damage EOs cause is very real, lasting, and can be disastrous. For example Trumps tariffs, while ineffective at their (stated) goal, were eventually overturned. But the damage they caused will be very long lasting. Supply chains are organic, they respond to outside forces, when those forces cause them to shift and change. Rarely do they on their own shift back.

protocolture 3 hours ago||
There was a guy in the comments of the first article on this topic, who claimed to be an expert on this law and was adamant that the decision by the Trump admin was perfectly legal.

Not just for accountability sake, but if that gentleman could come back in here and outline what he thinks is going on that would be quite interesting.

swingboy 2 hours ago||
It’s possible this could go before multiple judges who won’t all agree with this particular one.
protocolture 1 hour ago|||
Yeah but this was supposedly "Cut and dry" and no one familiar with the law could possibly mistake it, and it was all media manipulation that made it seem like there was a case where there wasnt one.
goatlover 2 hours ago|||
It's also possible the Trump admin has people commenting online.
bruce511 2 hours ago||
They don't need to be part of the administration.

More than 50% of voters voted for Trump. Even today >30% (of everyone) think he's doing a good job. (Ie about equal to the voters in absolute number terms). Lots of people believe eat he is doing is legal simply because he is doing it.

inigyou 1 hour ago|||
Well it is. They literally made a law saying whatever the president does is legal because he's the president.
jcranmer 1 hour ago|||
> More than 50% of voters voted for Trump.

Only 49.8% voted for Trump in the 2024 US election.

RoloBaron 2 hours ago||
You can hear the Department of War's pov on this controversy from the All-In Podcast here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzwRflcLPAA&t=2479s

Super interesting pov from the person who recommended the supply risk designation.

judgeizgw 3 hours ago||
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sb057 2 hours ago||
There are several hundred federal judges, and cases like this can be brought before virtually any of them. As a consequence at least one judge has ruled practically every single action by the Trump administration is illegal. These rulings are typically overturn at some point in the appeals process up to the Supreme Court, which has mostly upheld them as legal.
dools 2 hours ago|
> As a consequence at least one judge has ruled practically every single action by the Trump administration is illegal.

Because he is a shameless crook who heads up a corrupt administration

> These rulings are typically overturn at some point in the appeals process up to the Supreme Court, which has mostly upheld them as legal.

Gee I wonder why that is!!

trimethylpurine 3 hours ago||
I don't agree. When anthropic contractually stopped the US government from using the platform for certain purposes that they could not prevent the average user from pursuing they created a de facto national security risk.

Prevent everyone from doing it or don't prevent anyone. You can't single out and cripple only one country.

I don't imagine that this was Anthropic's intent anyway. They were just trying to say that it shouldn't be used for warfare. Respectable, but short sighted considering that they couldn't stop other people from using it for that same purpose.

techblueberry 2 hours ago||
You’re free to not agree with the law but you should know sometimes there are consequences for acting on that belief.
dosisking 2 hours ago|||
> When anthropic contractually stopped the US government from using the platform for certain purposes that they could not prevent the average user from pursuing they created a de facto national security risk.

The 'national security risk' is imaginary and exists solely in the minds of the government morons in charge of AI policy

doginasuit 2 hours ago|||
> When anthropic contractually stopped the US government from using the platform for certain purposes that they could not prevent the average user from pursuing they created a de facto national security risk.

Anthropic had two red lines: 1) no lethal autonomous warfare without a human in the loop, and 2) no mass surveillance of Americans. How is that something the average user is capable of? How are those red lines creating a national security risk?

These were not special terms for the U.S. government, they were a part of the usage policy since 2024. Governments are not in the same class as the average user, their capability and potential for misuse of the service is not comparable. There is no reason why the U.S. government should dispute those terms, and their reaction was dystopian.

qotgalaxy 2 hours ago||
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jghn 2 hours ago|
Since SCOTUS is stacked, it really doesn't matter.