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Posted by jatins 1 day ago

How accurate have Ed Zitron's AI skeptic predictions been?(danluu.com)
835 points | 974 commentspage 18
ElGamzino 1 day ago|
I knew him personally years ago and he broke my trust, my own opinion is that Ed wants to be popular and make money. He couldn't care less about being a diligent reporter that cares about the subject matter, he's a hype merchant jumping on one side of the band wagon to get clicks.
emil-lp 1 day ago|
Says anonymous internet user with a 10 minutes old account.
ElGamzino 1 day ago||
I made the account to make the comment because I feel strongly about him being untrustworthy. You can take it at face value or assume I'm lying, that's your call.
simianwords 1 day ago||
It is funny to see mainstream media finally catching up to how much of a grifter this guy really is. I believe I was the first at least on HN to make a list of his horrible predictions over the time [1]. Since then Kelsey Piper [2] also wrote about it and got some traction.

I knew that somewhere in the future, something has to give because you can't just go around saying anything without losing some credibility. You still have some ardent followers in his cult of a subreddit.

But just to be clear: Ed is part of a bigger problem in tech journalism which is characterised by extreme pessimism and excessive skepticism. It is not correct to view Ed in isolation rather to see it as a part of the culture in which he can thrive.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48447549

[2] https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/ais-biggest-critic-has-lost...

frozenseven 1 day ago||
Great article. I was waiting for someone to eventually do an assessment on this grifter.
AdAstraSucked 11 hours ago||
AI slop is eating the world
fzeroracer 1 day ago||
Posting revenue numbers as an example of a company not dying seems rather foolish. Microsoft's gaming side is floundering and dying and Linux has been growing at an unprecedented rate as a result of Microsoft's decisions. Not to mention the geopolitical aspects at play here as countries make a serious consideration to drop Windows.

These companies are all heavily buoyed by their investments in AI which is essentially an oroboros of money.

iLoveOncall 22 hours ago||
Easy to claim things as wrong without prodiving any facts.

Can I try?

> But when people bring him up, they're of course not generally citing his anger

Wrong.

> Google has been increasing the relative priority of revenue over the user experience over time

Wrong.

> I'm curious what people do after being on the wrong side

Wrong.

Some of the claims categorized as "wrong" are also completely true, such as training hitting diminishing returns. New models are barely an improvement and most people I know stuck on Opus 4.6 over any newer one for example.

Exact same thing for the claim "the fact we're running out of high quality training data and we're hitting the walls of scaling laws, in the training paradigm, these models aren't getting better. What we're seeing today is pretty much what they're always gonna be like".

If anything, model performance has regressed in actual use (i.e. not benchmarks) for the past half a year.

aesthesia 21 hours ago|
> Some of the claims categorized as "wrong" are also completely true, such as training hitting diminishing returns. New models are barely an improvement and most people I know stuck on Opus 4.6 over any newer one for example.

OK, but the first instance of a claim of diminishing returns was in February 2024, when GPT-4 was the best model available. Do you really think improvement since then has been minimal?

marcosdumay 20 hours ago|||
Yes, since 2024 the improvement has happened only in a few contexts, and the most famous¹ LLMs have also regressed in many contexts.

1 - Their numbers have also exploded, so I have no idea of any general rule.

iLoveOncall 21 hours ago|||
I personally think improvement has been minimal since ChatGPT was released actually.
minimaxir 21 hours ago||
That's not defensible.
iLoveOncall 10 hours ago||
It absolutely is.

What has improved isn't the models, it's the harnesses.

Give GPT-3.5 a 1M context window and a modern harness, and you won't see any meaningful difference with Opus 5.

It's a bit hard to try with such old models, but for example I use Opus 5 / Fable at work and Sonnet 4.5 at home (because it's free via Amazon Q), and there's absolutely 0 difference in performance. None. Obviously 4.5 is only a year old, not 3, but try with any older model that has a decent context window and you'll get the same results.

In fact I'll go further than this and say that models are currently regressing. Opus 5 is much much worse than Opus 4.6 for example, and it's clear that Anthropic (at least - I don't use OpenAI models much) is just tokenmaxing rather than optimizing for performance.

aesthesia 5 hours ago|||
Benchmarks are far from everything, but I would love to see the outcome of an experiment benchmarking GPT-4o (which is one of the earlier models with a >100k context window) against GPT-5.6 or Opus 5 in modern harnesses.
frozenseven 7 hours ago|||
>Give GPT-3.5 a 1M context window and a modern harness, and you won't see any meaningful difference with Opus 5.

>models are currently regressing. Opus 5 is much much worse than Opus 4.6

I'm in sheer awe at these takes. Literally beyond parody.

iLoveOncall 7 hours ago||
Striking argument.
badatnames 1 day ago||
I think the most enjoyable part of this is to have written it in the characteristic long-form Zitron wall of text style while still managing to pack almost the whole text with meaning, which is entirely the opposite of Zitron style.
arthurlockman 18 hours ago||
I want to point out that Zitron is _just a guy_. He’s not a billionaire CEO. He’s not a politician. He’s allowed to say what he wants whether it’s right or wrong, and _he’s just a guy_. He’s not swinging stock values for a group of insiders by tweeting. He’s not using pension funds to pay for a jacked-up IPO. He’s blogging and making a podcast, neither of which is compulsory for you to read.

You don’t have to spend effort proving him wrong. Just don’t read it and move on with your life. Regardless of which “side” of AI you’re on it’s kinda ridiculous how much effort gets spent on screaming gotcha at this one commentator.

VirusNewbie 18 hours ago|
He charges people money for a newsletter that reinforces completely detached from reality viewpoints. If he's just making stuff up, that's called grifting, and it's good people call that out.
arthurlockman 18 hours ago||
> if he’s just making stuff up, that’s called grifting

So then we should be calling Dario out every time he opens his mouth, right?

VirusNewbie 16 hours ago||
yes, we should also point out when he makes silly predictions that don't come true.
Planktonne 22 hours ago|
I do think you have to consider predictions in the context of the world around them; he's been incorrect, sure, but has he been more incorrect than the predictions of those opposing him? Being less wrong than others is the same as being more right.
flockonus 22 hours ago|
No idea what you're trying to say... he's been directionally wrong for years as the article illustrates clearly.
Planktonne 11 hours ago||
Zitron's predictions have often been wrong; they've still been less wrong than those of the people who disagree with him.