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Posted by jakobgreenfeld 16 hours ago

Three sites made 215,128 “best software” pages for AI. Perplexity cites them(trellner.com)
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rcar1046 15 hours ago|
"Sharing a nameserver pair is strong circumstantial evidence of a common Cloudflare account rather than proof of ownership"

-when you read one statement that let's you know to believe no other assertions in the article....

jkahrs595 4 hours ago||
I’m so happy to see the negative Perplexity posts today. I felt like I was taking crazy pills hearing people think this service was at all useful/trustworthy.
CapsAdmin 15 hours ago||
I've been vary of using ai to search considering all the spam out there. I think I'd rather, perhaps naively, whitelist wikipedia, reddit, arxiv, some news sources, etc than include everything.

Is there nothing out there that does this? I'm paying for kagi and I can see that it has an api, is that maybe sufficient if configured properly?

1313ed01 15 hours ago||
If you use Kagi Assistant, you can pick one of your lenses (i.e. lists of domains to restrict searches to) in chats. Not sure if their API has that as well or some other way to restrict searches. Also not sure if the Assistant (or API) respects blocked domains when searching.
feedyourhead 9 hours ago|||
Yes, the API supports lenses. You can use your account’s Kagi lenses or configure new ones: https://kagi.com/api/docs/openapi/search/search#search/searc...

Same thing with your domain ranks, you can have the API key inherit your account’s existing ranks (blocked, pinned, etc domains) or configure new ones https://kagi.com/api/docs/openapi/search/search#search/searc...

kjs3 11 hours ago|||
Another reason Kagi is worth paying for.
kevin_thibedeau 12 hours ago|||
I direct them to search for discussion on fora. There are still legacy sites on niche topics that the bots don't post in. This is particulaly useful for reaching into the past because traditional search doesn't surface anything but new content.
kingkawn 15 hours ago||
Reddit is full of ai accounts now tho
lukev 15 hours ago||
Begun, the AI SEO wars have.
marginalia_nu 15 hours ago||
It does seem rather impactful.

I've seen an extremely aggressive uptick in API key requests and sales that I'm not sure where it's coming from. Like it's up 5x over the summer. Been a bit confused about this since I do basically zero traditional marketing or SEO, but I think it's AI search tools that's suggesting my services.

aussieguy1234 3 hours ago||
Chatgpt tends to add ref=chatgpt to links in its chat output, so you could look for that.
pietroppeter 15 hours ago||
Has the industry already started to search for a better name than AI SEO for this?
properbrew 15 hours ago|||
Yes GEO (Generative Engine Optimisation) is one I've seen around.
skittlebrau 13 hours ago||||
I propose “sloptimizing”
pupppet 15 hours ago||||
Answer engine optimization (AEO)
spiderfarmer 14 hours ago|||
GEO seems to be winning, Generative Engine Optimization.
throwaway2037 14 hours ago||
This is genius. The AI/LLM singularity has arrived, and it is shaped like a snake eating its own tail (ouroboros) [1] (or a pelican riding a bicycle).

[1] https://www.newsbiscuit.com/post/ouroboros-unclear-if-it-s-e...

8384727747478 13 hours ago||
This is a problem we experience with our own niche SaaS product. We have been in business for about 10 years, but asking any LLM about recommendations in this niche will not mention our tool at all. If we ask ”why don’t you meantion X” - they say that ”oh, X is also a very reputable and good candidate”

Some of those ”best software sites” has reached out to us with an offer where we can then pay them an annual fee depending on which position we would like.

It feels so wrong - will this continue or will the LLMs learn to ignore them?

is_true 13 hours ago|
Something similar happened to me, a few months after refusing the "offer" that same site had an article mentioning our product but it was all fabricated negative stuff.
cush 14 hours ago||
> The result covers Perplexity only. We have not measured ChatGPT, Gemini, Copilot or Google’s AI Mode

Why only test Perplexity...? Isn't it the least popular among these?

kangalioo 14 hours ago|
I assume because promising trustworthiness by sourcing information from the web is specifically Perplexity's shtick. The fact that this study undermines the quality of random web sources hits Perplexity's value proposition the most.
qweqwe14 15 hours ago||
AI;DR
samuell 15 hours ago|
Yea. A google on that founder generated zero results.
pietz 15 hours ago||
The irony of this article being fully AI generated...

Anyway, it's over for Perplexity. They never had a great a product and the only reason for using them, was when they offered Pro accounts for free. Many people joined. Me included. But with a "meh" product and the general AI business not being very sticky, they lost quite harshly.

I thought they might be able to make money as a search api/index, but this article closed the book.

marcosdumay 11 hours ago|
They were way above their main competition at the time Google decided to ignore the entire open web but they were still focused on searching it.

Since then, they decided to change focus into answering questions, and didn't maintain the quality of search results.

antiloper 15 hours ago|
Searching for products has become impossible. If you don't already know what you are looking for, you're screwed.
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